ADD GLAMOUR EFFECTS SETTINGS

[Lambdafish]

Somehow we got a glamour thread that has turned into the entire real world debate about women being allowed/able to wear whatever they want and not be targeted/attacked by men or judged. Literally!

Who said anything about women?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

it really hypocritical of all of u to talk about freedom to glamour how u want when u deny their own freedom of opinion and decision.

Because it's not about opinion and certainly not your decision to make how we look like to you.

you are all "i will dress however i want and now you will look at me,LOOK AT ME AND U CANT TURN AWAY" fine u want freedom and wish to express how u want in game and dress how u want but the same freedom need to be done to those who are bothered by those glamours and should have the option to look away

You have the option to look away. You don't need to run the dungeon with bikini-au'ra and the nier-catgirl. Just leave and run it with people who are dressed more to your liking.

nobody is taking your avatar ,plays barbi with it and make you wear what he decided and u are stuck with that,they simply filter their own view and nobody else.

But you have no right to make us look like you want us to look, even if it is only for your own view. And what's next? Demanding a filter for skin-colours because you don't want green, red or black people in your game?

this is more being an egoist and sort of diva then actually advocating freedom and especially freedom to self expression.

Honestly that's the biggest pile of BS I've ever seen in this forum.

[Aurida]

You have the option to look away. You don't need to run the dungeon with bikini-au'ra and the nier-catgirl. Just leave and run it with people who are dressed more to your liking.

See this right here is my biggest problem with this whole thing. Why is it that any given player's elevation of their personal expression should trump anyone else's ability to play the entire game? The opinion here is of such a hard stance- 'if you don't like my pixels and don't tolerate them, then your option is to not play the game. you don't get to run the dungeon. take the entire 30 minute penalty.'

While I don't believe that any rational person playing this game right now would actually leave a dungeon for a reason as petty as someone else's glamour, (except for maybe that one guy who threw a temper tantrum about Peloton) it's somewhat stark that people are actually taking the side of that their personal expression should trump the ability of someone else to enjoy the game in a way that's so ridiculously non-intrusive that it should fail to matter.

This is why I suggested the artifact gear- if the suggestion was to have hilariously ill-fitting unglamoured sets, or a setting that put everyone in the data center in a bikini and clown shoes, and those screenshots started becoming the norm on image boards and such, then yes, I might agree that this presents a problem. But to have such a critical lack of perspective that someone else opting to not honor your pixels should even potentially mean they have to essentially opt not to play the game with randoms any more, rather than toggle a completely unintrusive, completely client-side setting that changes nothing for you?

I hate the WAR AF4 but I would not spare a single, solitary thought in the middle of my 12 minute expert roulette involving three people, who I will never speak to or interact with again, to actually say 'boy it'd sure be damaging to my personal worldview if these random strangers who have no attachment to me whatsoever didn't see my curated outfit on the character I hand-crafted to appeal to my own aesthetics'

Merely having the option would change nothing and be used by maybe 5% of the playerbase as an accessibility tool or aesthetics modifier, so I can't see a rational reason why they wouldn't add it other than that it might teach a few of the Limsa socialites some humility.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

See this right here is my biggest problem with this whole thing. Why is it that any given player's elevation of their personal expression should trump anyone else's ability to play the entire game? The opinion here is of such a hard stance- 'if you don't like my pixels and don't tolerate them, then your option is to not play the game. you don't get to run the dungeon. take the entire 30 minute penalty.'

It's an option they have. I mean, they don't need to. And how much must they really hate my dress that they rather leave and take the penalty? But if you worry too much about your dungeon-experience you can form a party before you enter a dungeon. Ask your friends, open up party-finder and set up a dresscode there if you want. There are still ways to get the people you want beforehand, without risking the penalty.

But if you don't like how I dress it's entirely your problem. Not mine. And I really wonder how deep the rabbithole goes. Is it only about bikini-armour? Maybe he also doesn't like the unglamoured 460-nier-raid-equipment too. Or the Edengear, or whatever? Where does it really ends? And like I asked in the previous post, what's next? Hair style? Race? Skin colour? Gender? I don't even want to start because I fear where it leads.

Bottom line is: Accept that people dress differently for different reasons and maybe, just maybe, be a little more tolerant about it.

[SugarPuff]

I can't really say it matters to me one way or the other. If someone wants to look at my "real" outfit instead of my glam I'm ok with that, as long as it doesn't change what I see.

[Kytrin]

Who said anything about women?

Go back and read my post again hon, and you'll see what I'm talking about. I put the arguments being used for this debate right next to the arguments used regarding the debate on women. It's a straight parallel.

[Aurida]

But if you don't like how I dress it's entirely your problem. Not mine.

Right, hence the thread asking for a solution to the problem that we are currently in. A solution that, again, impacts you precisely not at all outside of specious slippery slope arguments about racism/sexism/what have you.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The solution to the problem is very easy: Just accept how people dress.

[Iscah]

See this right here is my biggest problem with this whole thing. Why is it that any given player's elevation of their personal expression should trump anyone else's ability to play the entire game?

"Ability to play the entire game"? Surely you realise this is hyperbole.

There is a lot of distance between disliking some people's glamour and being unable to play any part of the game.

Outside of the occasional cutscene with your party, are you really looking that hard at what other people are wearing that you can't tune it out?

[KalinOrthos]

Right, hence the thread asking for a solution to the problem that we are currently in. A solution that, again, impacts you precisely not at all outside of specious slippery slope arguments about racism/sexism/what have you.

There isn't a "problem". There genuinely isn't. It's entirely someone pissy that someone wearing a bikini while tanking is "breaking muh immersion". Which is ridiculous and unreasonable. The OP is absolutely free to make the suggestion he did, and we're just as free to tell him he's silly for making that suggestion and that his concern is unreasonable. Not once have we said that the OP should never have made the suggestion, we just feel that he's being ridiculous.