ADD GLAMOUR EFFECTS SETTINGS

[SeedSix]

Yes, that is what I was driving at.

[Aurida]

or simply make a setting that disable the glamour option and show what that person actually wearing?(which is what the OP is basically saying and not asking a full on censorship mode that changes what that person is wearing regardless of his equipment)

Nah that's awful. 90% of organic tomestone/raid/crafted equipment mixes would look like complete crap. I still remember my dragoon from Deltascape who never glamoured anything, I couldn't look directly at him it was that bad.

Plus, it'd help the section of the community that wants to visually ascertain a player's class without having to examine them or see their weapon that always seems to come up in these discussions.

[HyoMinPark]

I’m in the camp with Iscah. What I’ve given my characters to wear is my personal preference for my character. I don’t ask others to like it, and they don’t have to. But it’s my preference and others have no say in what I put on my character (or don’t put on my character). If they don’t like it...well. That’s not really my problem.

Bottom line is: I wouldn’t want someone changing my glamour because they’re my preference. I wouldn’t try changing theirs, so I ask them to please respect mine. If they don’t want to look at my glamours, then find other people to play with? That’s about all I can suggest.

[Arrhin]

Ya don't like how I express meself, don look at me...totally fine with that *glams two piece over every gear set*

[Aurida]

It's not as if I've got a horse in the race here since I don't think I've ever actually willingly looked at another player character to see what they were wearing, but it's just an option, right? Having other people have the option to change what they look at and see would affect you personally just about not at all.

Don't get me wrong- I 'get' glamour and self expression and in fact most of my posts are in favor of that the current system of job-based glamour restrictions renders the system incomplete, but arguing against the option to tailor the game's appearance to your own needs comes off as a little...

Well, where SHOULD your ability to self-express be limited by someone else's to not see it? If it's a setting that only affects them, client-side, and you'd never know that they see you personally wearing the RDM AF4 instead of your actual red mage glamour, then what's it change?

[Iscah]

Well, where SHOULD your ability to self-express be limited by someone else's to not see it? If it's a setting that only affects them, client-side, and you'd never know that they see you personally wearing the RDM AF4 instead of your actual red mage glamour, then what's it change?

But you won't "never know" that someone is seeing you like that. Or rather, if the option is there, then you are always aware that someone might be using it. You don't know if one particular person is or not, but anyone could be.

I dislike the concept of character appearance mods, for the same reason.

I'm not keen on the sillier outfits either, but if it's the trade-off for guaranteeing (at least at an official level) that my character will always be presented as I intend then to be - along with respecting what others want to wear - then so be it.

[Lambdafish]

But you won't "never know" that someone is seeing you like that. Or rather, if the option is there, then you are always aware that someone might be using it. You don't know if one particular person is or not, but anyone could be.

And so what if they are? Why is your right to wear the glamour you want any different from that players right to glamour the world and its inhabitants the way they want? Them changing things on the client-side doesn't affect your game experience in the slightest. Nobody is asking you to remove your glamour, they are asking for client side QoL.

I initially thought this thread was a troll, but the more I thought about the specific request, I realised how harmless it is. Sure OP, why not, I'd be all for an immersion mode even I would never use it.

I wouldn’t want someone changing my glamour because they’re my preference. I wouldn’t try changing theirs, so I ask them to please respect mine. If they don’t want to look at my glamours, then find other people to play with? That’s about all I can suggest.

You make it sound like they are forcing you and everyone who looks at you to experience the "changed" glamour. This QoL hurts nobody and allows players to play the way they want. The only person not being respectful is you, by telling them they have to play with other people rather than request a harmless game improvement.

[Iscah]

Nobody is asking you to remove your glamour...

No, they would not be "asking". They would be taking it off whether I agreed or not.

My character has appeared on their screen. They have changed what she is wearing. I have not had a say in it. Whether I can see that they have done so is irrelevant.

How my character is presented to others is just as important to me as how it is presented to myself.

The only person not being respectful is you, by telling them they have to play with other people rather than request a harmless game improvement.

You can turn this argument whichever way you like.

I can say it's more respectful to ensure that people are seen how they want to be seen. Ignoring their preference is disrespectful.

You can say it's more respectful to let people choose what they want to see, even if that means another person('s character) is not seen how they chose. Making them see things they don't like is disrespectful.

Who can prove which is the more important right?

Evidently it comes down to how you see the world and what you place more value on. But I would much rather "let others be" and have them let me be in return, than have others be able to change what my character wears because they're offended by some people's outfits and think they shouldn't be allowed to wear it.

[HyoMinPark]

You make it sound like they are forcing you and everyone who looks at you to experience the "changed" glamour. This QoL hurts nobody and allows players to play the way they want. The only person not being respectful is you, by telling them they have to play with other people rather than request a harmless game improvement.

This is an MMO. It’s not a single player game. If people dislike crazy glamours, that’s their preference—but they can’t make anyone adhere to their standards of “appropriate, immersive dress”. There are far better things development time can be spent on rather than an option to remove other players’ individuality. Crazy glamours don’t hurt anyone. If they dislike it, they don’t have to stay in parties where it’s present. Simple as that. Unless you’d rather me suggest they kick the offender because they’re mad they aren’t in a subligar and ovenmitts?

Call it disrespect if you want, even though I disagree. As I said, I would respect their glamour options even if I thought they were strange; they should respect mine as well. Let my character wear what she wants and stop caring so much about it. I swear that crazy glamours don’t hurt anyone.

[Lambdafish]

but they can’t make anyone adhere to their standards of “appropriate, immersive dress”.

You'll have to break this down for me, how are they making you adhere to their standard? You can still wear whatever you like and enjoy your glamour, nobody is asking you to stop doing that. Players who don't use the immersive option would still be able to see and enjoy your glamour along with you, and your feelings wouldn't be hurt just because some guy you don't know, using a feature you don't know he is using, has made the world a little more immersive for himself.

I can see many situations where this feature would be very useful, screenshots being a big one. Screenshots and glamour are two huge activities in FFXIV, and why should he not be able to request the ability to take more immersive screenshots?

No, they would not be "asking". They would be taking it off whether I agreed or not.

Did you miss the part where this is client side? You think your right to dictate other peoples play experiences extends to their own client? If this were something that meant you couldn't glamour the way you wanted, or somehow impeding you from dressing how you want on your client you would be absolutely right. But this doesn't affect your play experience at all, and you seem really insecure about what is essentially some pixels in someone else's videogame.

Offhand note: You know I can already mess about with your character without your permission using GPose right? And you'll never know if someone is doing just that when you are standing in Eulmore.