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    I would love something like that...

    BUT its not for the same reasons other people are talking about. I queue for like a Dungeon or Raid... and then go do something else like, play the MSQ or replay it, or like now doing Shadowbringer Fates... and there are SOME cutscenes it will not allow you to click the accept button so you have your choice... either let the queue expire or skip the cutscene, and its annoying as hell.

    Or I'll be right at the end of a Fate and I'll be going... Oh you dick... you would pop right now.
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    Fransisco Acutus
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    Ultros
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    Abuse issues aside, this would make the queue SUPER complicated and WAY more system heavy. It would become impossible to give legitimate time estimates with players at all levels locking and unlocking in the queue. I see WAY to many downsides for SE to do this compared to the small upsides.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Abuse issues aside, this would make the queue SUPER complicated and WAY more system heavy. It would become impossible to give legitimate time estimates with players at all levels locking and unlocking in the queue. I see WAY to many downsides for SE to do this compared to the small upsides.
    If I recall correctly, the time estimates are already made based on recent party entries rather than any real estimate of how quickly the bottleneck role will enter the queue, and actual entry times can swing pretty wildly from their estimates; after all it's a matter of, say, a tank joining or not joining, potentially for hours. Even if one previously joined every 10 minutes or so, at any time there could be many more in the typical interval or none for several such intervals. Many of the swings towards the short end are further varied by non-bottleneck roles dropping out.

    Again, if anyone has seen GDC explanations, etc., of queues or worked on any themselves, I'd love some insight on how heavy the code would actually be, but so far I'm not sure why the number of user complications through added factors of complexity so outweighing those we already see (e.g. sudden upward movement already seen in long-estimate queues when non-bottleneck roles drop queue due to inactivity).
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    Ainslie Tinley
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    I'm all for it, if technically doable.
    Both for quickly afkling and for, like mentioned, watching cutscenes. Hell, sometimes I even risk dropping off the queue because it pops at the start of a long loading screen.
    It's easy to say "if you're busy don't queue" but queues can take up to hours and anything can happen in the meantime, including a common pot break.
    As long as it's made so that it's not abused (ex: can only pause for 5 mins or so max) I see no negatives with it.
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    Tohe Spidhire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    It's easy to say "if you're busy don't queue" but queues can take up to hours and anything can happen in the meantime, including a common pot break.
    Sorry, if the PF takes hours, then that can't possibly be described as using it correctly. At best, the PF is a tool for assembling quick matches, with AT MOST waiting 15 minutes, otherwise you should be manually recruiting people to play at a scheduled time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tohe-Spidhire View Post
    Sorry, if the PF takes hours, then that can't possibly be described as using it correctly. At best, the PF is a tool for assembling quick matches, with AT MOST waiting 15 minutes, otherwise you should be manually recruiting people to play at a scheduled time.
    1- we're talking about DF, not PF, and there's no "using it correctly"
    2- not everybody can play at prime time, and even when you queue at reset time as dps yes, you can easily wait half an hour or longer, as DPS. And this for roulettes, single dungeons is much worse.
    You're probably lucky with your datacenter, but how that leads you to believe it's a rule is beyind me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    1- we're talking about DF, not PF, and there's no "using it correctly"
    2- not everybody can play at prime time, and even when you queue at reset time as dps yes, you can easily wait half an hour or longer, as DPS. And this for roulettes, single dungeons is much worse.
    You're probably lucky with your datacenter, but how that leads you to believe it's a rule is beyind me.
    Sorry, I meant to say DF, and you're still crazy if you normally expect to be sitting there for hours. However, I've already advised you to manually recruit, so if you choose not to do that, then that is your choice. Defend that choice, my friend, as it is your freedom to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tohe-Spidhire View Post
    Sorry, I meant to say DF, and you're still crazy if you normally expect to be sitting there for hours. However, I've already advised you to manually recruit, so if you choose not to do that, then that is your choice. Defend that choice, my friend, as it is your freedom to do so.
    Manually recruit for roulette? Do people even do that?
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