BLU QoL and future additions you would like

[Lambdafish]

Nerf some of the more broken skills, and now BLU is a normal class.

I did ask that we refrain from "BLU should be a normal class" comments. Yeah, the devs could nerf those skills, give BLU a normal toolkit and 3 different weapons to make it 3 different jobs, but thats not what BLU is and goes against what BLU is designed to be.

What makes BLU special is the strategising around its abilities, as a tank, knowing how to compensate for the lack of health using diamondback and working through these flaws is the most fun I've had in old content in a long time. Thats what BLU is supposed to be, and those skills are what make the job special.

Yes, the way mimicry works right now isn't great, and yes, additional mimicry enhanced skills that give each role more identity would be great, but trying to turn BLU into a "normal class" isn't what BLU is about. Playing BLU at endgame is like nothing else the game offers right now.

[LauraAdalena]

I did ask that we refrain from "BLU should be a normal class" comments. Yeah, the devs could nerf those skills, give BLU a normal toolkit and 3 different weapons to make it 3 different jobs, but thats not what BLU is and goes against what BLU is designed to be.

While I get this is intended to improve the comment we have, I must argue a few things with this response and it's not what you might think. It's not a complaint on it being a normal job, shocker.

What is BLU designed to be? Because as it stands, it's confusing to most people.

What makes BLU special is the strategising around its abilities, as a tank, knowing how to compensate for the lack of health using diamondback and working through these flaws is the most fun I've had in old content in a long time. Thats what BLU is supposed to be, and those skills are what make the job special.

The thing is, that's not any different than any other job then. Also, you shouldn't be using diamondback for a lack of health but using it to prevent or mitigate massive damage that might put you in a disadvantageous situation with your health and strategizing when to use them given the skill of your party, upcoming attacks, and positioning where you are. How is that any different from what you do with BLU with what you said?

Yes, the way mimicry works right now isn't great, and yes, additional mimicry enhanced skills that give each role more identity would be great, but trying to turn BLU into a "normal class" isn't what BLU is about. Playing BLU at endgame is like nothing else the game offers right now.

Okay, one moment. I find your reasoning for no "normal class" discussion kind of a cop-out. Just because it's not "what its about" in the game as it is, does not mean people cannot wish or say "hey. Can we get this?" to SE anyway. I'd prefer it the normal class way but saying "isn't what BLU is about" is just closed-minded. Now I agree with the "no 'normal class' discussion" because it's kind of overplayed and there's other threads for it, and I'll stick to those if I were to do that.

As for ideas of my own, I personally would ask that the game gives BLU and identity. Is it a mimic that can do anything? Is it solo content? Is it group content? Is it intended as a challenge for those who did the savage content prior? Because all of these feel like just ideas thrown at a wall and all of them don't feel like pieces that belong together.

I, personally, would focus on one concept and only that. If this is intended as group content cut the instant death skills, but still buff other skills pretty significantly and support skills moreso.

If it's solo content, make all of the instant death/% based/status based/whatever skills work more often or all the time and allow more enemies to be defeated by them.

If it's a challenge for those who did savage content as a new way to tackle it, give it more rewards for Coils, savage coils, and make its weapon affect it.

If it's to promote open-world content bring in more overworld bosses to the areas BLU can be easily playable in and rewards for them.

and in all cases other than the overworld, I'd say allow it to get more exp from dungeons too. And give it more to do outside of just the Savage stuff or filling the log and doing some daily challenges.

[RyuDragnier]

What is BLU designed to be?

It is designed to be what BLU always has been...a goofy job that can do everything and can break certain things while being near useless in others. See FF5, FF10, and FF10-2 for examples of this.

[ReiMakoto]

It is designed to be what BLU always has been...a goofy job that can do everything and can break certain things while being near useless in others. See FF5, FF10, and FF10-2 for examples of this.

Except no, outside of a few gimmicks blu was a perfectly normal support dps 90% of the time which then had the occasional gimmick that could break something. Ff10s blue magic was poorly balanced but in literally every other game it functioned as a support dps and not near useless. To use your own example of ff5, blu gets the aero line of spells and can use then to great effect to dish out relevant damage, like rdm it can use swords and even light shields, 1000 needles is gotten at a level to deal appropriate damage, and has a bunch of supportive buffs including mighty guard and white wind as the most powerful

[LauraAdalena]

It is designed to be what BLU always has been...a goofy job that can do everything and can break certain things while being near useless in others. See FF5, FF10, and FF10-2 for examples of this.

I've played all of these, and one much more recently. The only thing that FF5 has is that it makes certain bosses a cakewalk and immediately kills a few enemies. Other than that it's mostly a support or hybrid DPS/Healer. FF10 Khimari's Overdrive is considered one of the weakest because of how Overdrives work until you can get his coming up every single fight, then he's one of the best supports and doesn't get his game breaking stuff until endgame but by then if you have Wakka's Hit Reels down those break the game so much better. FF10-2 I haven't played in a while but I remember that being one of the more underwhelming uses of BLU. The ones that I remember actually being great were Quistis from 8, Enemy Action materia from 7, and Quina from 9. I'd need to replay 7 but I remember all of these having some skills they could learn that made them top-tier in the game.

[ShadowNyx3]

The thing is, that's not any different than any other job then. Also, you shouldn't be using diamondback for a lack of health but using it to prevent or mitigate massive damage that might put you in a disadvantageous situation with your health and strategizing when to use them given the skill of your party, upcoming attacks, and positioning where you are. How is that any different from what you do with BLU with what you said?

I don't think that's what he meant. The lack of health is referring to Blue Mages not having any extra Vitality like an actual tank would, thus making Diamondback key in a lot of areas to compensate for things that wouldn't phase a normal tank. That actually is what makes BLU in FFXIV different than the other jobs.


Though your whole post here rings very hollow coming from someone who hasn't even leveled Blue Mage past level 50. Wanting to limit Blue Mage's identity to one thing is the complete counter stance to what the devs chose to do with this latest update, which is a valid opinion for someone who just doesn't like what Blue Mage is currently, but not one anyone here should take seriously when that person hasn't even given the new update a chance.

[LauraAdalena]

I don't think that's what he meant. The lack of health is referring to Blue Mages not having any extra Vitality like an actual tank would, thus making Diamondback key in a lot of areas to compensate for things that wouldn't phase a normal tank. That actually is what makes BLU in FFXIV different than the other jobs.


Though your whole post here rings very hollow coming from someone who hasn't even leveled Blue Mage past level 50. Wanting to limit Blue Mage's identity to one thing is the complete counter stance to what the devs chose to do with this latest update, which is a valid opinion for someone who just doesn't like what Blue Mage is currently, but not one anyone here should take seriously when that person hasn't even given the new update a chance.

I'd argue that's no different than a tank but whatever it'd be pointless to argue two different perspectives on the same point when it's really just a point of view thing/opinion thing and nothing more. I can't tell you your opinion is wrong and you can't tell me as such and I have a feeling we both have unwavering opinions on this topic.

Yeah I haven't. But can I still form an opinion after helping friends and playing it in previous patches? I feel like I can given I have a baseline understanding of the class, have guides that show and tell every spell, and other things inside it. Now, I really must re-itterate that I've seen enough of the current Blue Mage and helped enough friends out with it that I feel like I get an understanding of the new Blue Mage and can safely say I'd get the abilities, get to 60, and stop anyway. So helping friends do the same is practically the same experience, imo. The content doesn't offer enough of a singular focused identity that they don't have enough content for me to do giving me an idea of what I'd do at 60. I don't want to redo the savages or coils as BLU. I don't particularly find the whole farming these duties as BLU enticing for seals when I have most of the items, and i don't really have enough friends to do BLU with that'd want to do that stuff either anyway to make it fun. I'd be hopping into a PF and doing it with strangers, which I really don't enjoy because I like the banter between my friends and I and the fun we have when we're all in it together.

My problem is that people have this idea that just because the devs chose to do with something, it doesn't mean I have to like it or can't disagree or give other ideas with it. This thread and how the OP talks about it shows my point there. It bothers me to see people say that people can't disagree or even suggest different ideas just because "it's how the devs intended it."

[TheMightyMollusk]

What broken skills?

[Waystone]

Stuff like diamondback would need a cool down, otherwise you could spam invincibility in normal content

[Hash_Browns]

Stuff like diamondback would need a cool down, otherwise you could spam invincibility in normal content

Spam invincibility in what way?

It costs 3000mp, and you can't deal any damage during its 10 second window.