The Reason Zenos.

[Valic]

"Twice? I only recall once in the ending of SB tbh. Why would he expend all of his energy when there's the possibility for so much more? He's beaten us twice just as well, and that was before the "final fight" when we actually learned how to step up. He wasn't using his full power until possibly the Shinryu fight and even then he was just using a primal like a puppet."

yes twice. You forget we creamed his ass in the 70 dungeon before the final fight. And no. Stop counting those two fights he -won- he only won cause we wasnt level 70. The game shows you his level at the first fight. It fails. He's only there or unbeatable because the game says so. Once we get to him he's the easiest fight of all time. He fails. And he's also lame and brings nothing to the table. :c

It's fine if you like zenos. But in my honest opinion he was and is badly designed. He just comes off as trying too hard and it fails. Nigghog was a better "kill everything" villain and he had a good plot. Well... better then the " I wanna be a wanna be edge lord arc." Zenos is. It's like they wanted to remake ff7 in xiv and out came zenos. A clone of another overrated villain.

No, he backed off during it. There was no clear sign of defeat there. Deciding to stop a battle and move elsewhere to continue fighting does not mean "you win". Only by game mechanics is that even a thing. If you're going by the game's logic of how we didn't get beaten earlier on, you can't say the same for the dungeon we ran either. Nidhogg's plot was "you killed my fam, I'ma make you suffer" and the entire plot of a previous FF already done. He practically was an edge lord the entire time, especially when he took over Estinien lol. GO FIGURE THE FAN GAME OF ALL FF'S WANTS TO MAKE SIMILAR IDEAS FROM OTHER FF'S???? HUH.

His first line of text, after the Shinryu fight, literally states that "The hunter has indeed become the hunted." before sayings his farewell to "My first friend. My enemy"
He died. He didn't have a plan on souljumping to a different corpse. He straight out killed himself because his own power combined with Shinryu wasn't enough to defeat his target. The fact that you keep using "died", and seem convinced that killing himself was all part of some kind of master plan just shows how much you seem to have forgotten about the Stormblood MSQ. I'd suggest rewatching the cutscenes again.

Oh, and his question on if we were to kill or bind the primal was Zenos asking about the WoL's knowledge about the Echo.


We don't know why exactly Elidibus gave up Zenos' body as quickly as he did. So anything regarding that is pure speculation.


And how exactly does this change the fact that we'd still end up beating Zenos in the end?

Y'know, the thing you were arguing against? The fact that the only outcome would be him losing against us? Or do you still believe that Zenos is going to permanently defeat us?

He admitted WoL has become stronger than him yes. Pretty sure he killed himself because he considered his part done at the time though. I haven't forgotten about that, the implication of death means they become without life, a body becomes a corpse. He became that ONCE so far. After we defeated him taking over Shinryu.

I mean, Elidibus specifically said something along the lines of Zenos coming around being unexpected. I'm almost positive Elidibus noped out understanding that he may very well be at his match if not just lose and he's the probably last remaining ascian left. He'd rather not take the chance.

And to your last question, it doesn't. But everyone is using "but we know we're gonna beat them" as their go-to for why Zenos is a bad villain... Meanwhile literally every villain we've faced thus far has had the exact same fate. so you could say all of them are bad for the same reason then. This is the first villain we've had in FFIV that has actually survived beyond death that wasn't an ascian (even though he's bordering becoming one). Why don't we wait and see what Zenos has in store and give him some room to be able to become something worthy rather than just killing off another villain as expected early. If there was anything that disappointed me in ShB, it was that Emet Selch seemed like he could've been a long term villain and well.... wasn't.

My belief is that Zenos is like as many have said, will have some form of interaction with Zodiark, and either way whoever ends out on top (my hope is on Zenos as again, I find him a perfect candidate for the final villain)....Will end up "defeating" the WoL in more than just a "got knocked down" sense like we have been in the past. Rather, in such a way that sets us back and makes people believe we're absolutely dead this time. Something to note, I never once said permanent.

TL;DR: drop this thread already so the creators/writers don't write up another villain out of thin air that had no relevance from these last 4 expansions(and will likely end up just being another end expansion villain) all because people on the forums whined about Zenos. Give the fker a chance now that things are getting spicy.

Also TL;DR: to be blunt, I disagree and find Zenos a great character to continue in the plot. No changing my opinion on the matter and at this rate I can see everyone's as stubborn as I am so ... Done I guess?