RDM level boost

[Neela]

I can tell you why...

1. It’s obvious to use raise after dual cast proc like others use swift.
2. You STILL don’t get that heal & raise on Rdm are JUST worst, worst, woooorst case scenarios which you should avoid as long as possible. (Using them to generate a dual cast in downtimes is another case but surely not „the most important one“)

Actually i start believing you just don’t want to improve or learn anything... that are pure BASICS on your cls...

[Silverquick]

Neela,

What do you mean I "don't get it".
I don't recall anyone here making the claim that RDM was some kind of Primary healer or Primary Raiser
(though the case can be made they are superior to all other jobs in their ability to Raise the entire party should it fall due to what I just said)

The things being talked about are tricks of the trade, and little secrets RDM is capable of. It has nothing to do with "RDM being some kind of Primary healer or Raiser".

This is just another case of you inserting yourself into a argument and creating a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic or conversation.

[Neela]

serious? xD u argued 2 month with the community „that u never just dps but heal and res a lot cause it’s part of the toolkit“ - you said parses don’t show reality because parser won’t use those skills like you do.

Aside of that? It’s about tricks? So using dual cast (a basic cls mechanic) for heal & res is a trick? What about the several time in a row argument? U simply can’t (better shouldn’t) cause u will penalty yourself if u do with an empty manapool.

Yet it’s still not personal but just misleading, if not even false, information you spread. That’s all. I know you are not trolling, you just don’t know better... but than again talking about „tricks“ is even more funny to read if that said person didn’t even get the base-mechanics/calculation of how things work in the first place.

What I don’t know is why u always have to show your inexperience in that way. Maybe start endgame, get used to terms and facts, what exactly is meant by balance and how different cls synergies influence your own game. Learn to discuss on bases, proof your claims better than just „because I feel it“. Your (grey%) casual game is not the place to talk about balance/adjustments/optimizing cause it’s totally irrelevant in those discussions. You don’t see the difference... but you have to if you want to be heard - without a lol.

Than and only than... come back and maybe I won’t call you out anymore. As long as u stay to your mindset - I promise I will stay on my.

[Silverquick]

serious? xD u argued 2 month with the community „that u never just dps but heal and res a lot cause it’s part of the toolkit“ - you said parses don’t show reality because parser won’t use those skills like you do.

Another Strawman argument. I never said any of that.

I do recall saying that after I got some experience in high level Shadowbringer instances that I ended up spending so much time Ressing and backup healing that my DPS suffered for it and a lot of other RDMs likely do too.
Due to so many deaths and near party wipes in Alliance Raids and other Trials where half the party including healers would constantly go down. The only reason they didn't total wipe was because I actually did that up to and including filling in to heal the Tank to keep him alive while simultaneously Verraising the Healers and even some DPS like SMNs to assist in Raising. Because the healer doesn't Instantly have MP back once raised.

Ergo... Logs in many cases do not show true RDM DPS and get included bringing the average down when it does not reflect reality.

Aside of that? It’s about tricks? So using dual cast (a basic cls mechanic) for heal & res is a trick? What about the several time in a row argument? U simply can’t (better shouldn’t) cause u will penalty yourself if u do with an empty manapool.

Verrraise does not cost 10,000 MP to cast it costs 2400. So you can do multiples in a row and you still have Lucid Dreaming for MP restore plus Super Ethers.

That is enough to Raise both Healers, the Tank, and possibly at your choosing a DPS like an RDM or SMN who can assist.

Yet it’s still not personal but just misleading, if not even false, information you spread.

No Neela, you are describing yourself.

[Neela]

Another Strawman argument. I never said any of that.

Oh really?... its not the first time people must remind you of your own words. cause u often came around with "never said that".
So let me give you a helping hand:

That's great and all.

But after personal experience now with RDM.

I simply do not and have never spent the majority of my time DPSing in a Raid. I'm doing one of three things, my time is divided between DPSing, Healing, and Raising.

So I cannot put much stock in FFlogs when it comes to measuring DPS from a RDM.

Fair enough,

But also consider that you were talking about an "average" from FF Logs... so you have to account for the fact a lot of Red Mage DPS being submitted probably also includes a lot of RDMs who have to do exactly what I said.

So its just not really possible to take the DPS outputs from FFLogs with regards to Red Mage to be much different as they too would include a lot of Red Mages who split their time DPS, Healing, and Ressing.

Parses are the „only“ reality my dear. They are calculated on set values not on „your weird feelings“. High % player proof they get the games base mechanics and mastered the optimization on their respective cls. Grey % (your status) just shows that you struggle A LOT with uptime or simple just didn’t get your base rotation yet. And that is a hard fact - if you like it or not. Even the try to explain your factory run just shows your inexperience. There is not much output from balance which you can argue about - those who do, do it just because of one reason: they don't understand it. See? Its not about that one specific run but about your overall understanding about how things work. And that is sadly not much:

Verrraise does not cost 10,000 MP to cast it costs 2400. So you can do multiples in a row and you still have Lucid Dreaming for MP restore plus Super Ethers.
That is enough to Raise both Healers, the Tank, and possibly at your choosing a DPS like an RDM or SMN who can assist.

If you ever encounter such a scenario in endgame (out of progress or full BiS party) your task as RDM is absolutely not to res anyone but to jump off the edge and wipe that run on purpose cause you would never pass upcoming dps checks or the enrage - yet again you would know that if you would play endgame at all. There are no situations (other than running casual dailys) where multiple res' are worth at all. You have no clue how to use combat res on smn/rdm in serious content cause you never played that kind of content up until now – but curiously are talking like you would lead the Balance Discord yourself.

But what should I say if you even forgot what you said 2 weeks ago… this will never end. Check, make your move.

No Neela, you are describing yourself.

Oh than gimme an example where I mislead or spread false information like you do in nearly every post - im *really* curious what u gonna come up with : )

[Silverquick]

Oh really?... its not the first time people must remind you of your own words. cause u often came around with "never said that".
So let me give you a helping hand:

Are you really that delusional?

What you quoted says exactly what I just said above...

Silverquick yesterday:
I do recall saying that after I got some experience in high level Shadowbringer instances that I ended up spending so much time Ressing and backup healing that my DPS suffered for it and a lot of other RDMs likely do too.

Due to so many deaths and near party wipes in Alliance Raids and other Trials where half the party including healers would constantly go down. The only reason they didn't total wipe was because I actually did that up to and including filling in to heal the Tank to keep him alive while simultaneously Verraising the Healers and even some DPS like SMNs to assist in Raising. Because the healer doesn't Instantly have MP back once raised.

Ergo... Logs in many cases do not show true RDM DPS and get included bringing the average down when it does not reflect reality.

It says exactly what you just quoted from 2 months ago ... namely THIS...
And it does not match your claim of... "„that u never just dps but heal and res a lot cause it’s part of the toolkit“

Silverquick 2 Months ago
That's great and all.

But after personal experience now with RDM.

I simply do not and have never spent the majority of my time DPSing in a Raid. I'm doing one of three things, my time is divided between DPSing, Healing, and Raising.

So I cannot put much stock in FFlogs when it comes to measuring DPS from a RDM.

But further says NOTHING about "prefering" it due to the "kit" in fact its the opposite.

Fair enough,
But also consider that you were talking about an "average" from FF Logs... so you have to account for the fact a lot of Red Mage DPS being submitted probably also includes a lot of RDMs who have to do exactly what I said

If you ever encounter such a scenario in endgame (out of progress or full BiS party) your task as RDM is absolutely not to res anyone but to jump off the edge and wipe that run on purpose cause you would never pass upcoming dps checks or the enrage - yet again you would know that if you would play endgame at all.

Well now you know why I don't listen to you.

My groups succeeded the first time through no wipes even when they should have. From the sound of your statements... yours failed.

We succeeded, where you given your words, wiped and failed.

[Stormcaster]

Remember that while Verraise and Vercure are nice and all, you are never ever expected to use them outside of emergency when the healer (in dungeons) or both healers (in raids and trials) died. In contents and especially in high-end ones, your primary job is to deal damage. Raising and healing people are not your job. Those are the healers' jobs. Winning the fight early is always better.

[Silverquick]

Remember that while Verraise and Vercure are nice and all, you are never ever expected to use them outside of emergency when the healer (in dungeons) or both healers (in raids and trials) died. In contents and especially in high-end ones, your primary job is to deal damage. Raising and healing people are not your job. Those are the healers' jobs. Winning the fight early is always better.

In a general sense I agree,
But as a Red Mage you will end up in the emergency situation a lot more than you think, so as a Red Mage you better be prepared for it. It still happens to me even after all this time

Just last weekend I was in Copied Factory and the moment I zoned in I see both healers in our team in cutscene. So you can imagine how that went, they were first time ever in Copied Factory rank newbies.

You expect it to happen because they're new, but they died and died and died and died... and then died a few more times for good measure. Luckily for them the team composition was 2 Bards and 3 Red mages. I ended up with two full party saves in that one, and I know one of the other Red Mages did too because I went down once, looked up and saw both healers down and the only one left was a Red Mage who got us all back up.

First part of the Serial Jointed Command Module went ok, then I suddenly look up, and both healers are down, so are all the Bards and Red Mages and I'm going what the hell happened? The only people left standing are me and the Tank?

I had already Verraised the Healers once prior when they went down. So I raised the Healers again with dual casted Verraise and one RDM. kicked in Lucid Dreaming and popped a Super Ether, then picked up a Bard and another RDM. In hind sight I should probably have picked up the Bard before the RDM so we could get the MP quickly but I had to do it quick.

Happened again at 9S. But this time the only one standing besides me was a Bard.

The team Red Mages were busy that day I can tell you. As a Red Mage you are the only one standing between success and making it through vs a team wipe. And I also run into this a lot in the Vauthrie 8 man and the Hades 8 Man.

[Stormcaster]

In a general sense I agree,
But as a Red Mage you will end up in the emergency situation a lot more than you think, so as a Red Mage you better be prepared for it. It still happens to me even after all this time

Just last weekend I was in Copied Factory and the moment I zoned in I see both healers in our team in cutscene. So you can imagine how that went, they were first time ever in Copied Factory rank newbies.

You expect it to happen because they're new, but they died and died and died and died... and then died a few more times for good measure. Luckily for them the team composition was 2 Bards and 3 Red mages. I ended up with two full party saves in that one, and I know one of the other Red Mages did too because I went down once, looked up and saw both healers down and the only one left was a Red Mage who got us all back up.

First part of the Serial Jointed Command Module went ok, then I suddenly look up, and both healers are down, so are all the Bards and Red Mages and I'm going what the hell happened? The only people left standing are me and the Tank?

I had already Verraised the Healers once prior when they went down. So I raised the Healers again with dual casted Verraise and one RDM. kicked in Lucid Dreaming and popped a Super Ether, then picked up a Bard and another RDM. In hind sight I should probably have picked up the Bard before the RDM so we could get the MP quickly but I had to do it quick.

Happened again at 9S. But this time the only one standing besides me was a Bard.

The team Red Mages were busy that day I can tell you. As a Red Mage you are the only one standing between success and making it through vs a team wipe. And I also run into this a lot in the Vauthrie 8 man and the Hades 8 Man.

My point still stands though. In short the recommendation is that, do not actively look for chances to use Vercure (unless it's boss transition) and Verraise.
Also, from my experience if all healers and tanks died in normal raids and trials and LB3 isn't up, I'd actually wipe it. Trying to clean up other people's mistakes isn't worth it and also the content's chill enough to just start again and allow people to correct their mistakes.

[Zantusken]

I had already Verraised the Healers once prior when they went down. So I raised the Healers again with dual casted Verraise and one RDM. kicked in Lucid Dreaming and popped a Super Ether, then picked up a Bard and another RDM. In hind sight I should probably have picked up the Bard before the RDM so we could get the MP quickly but I had to do it quick.

BRD does not provide any MP anymore