RDM level boost

[Silverquick]

Neela,

What do you mean I "don't get it".
I don't recall anyone here making the claim that RDM was some kind of Primary healer or Primary Raiser
(though the case can be made they are superior to all other jobs in their ability to Raise the entire party should it fall due to what I just said)

The things being talked about are tricks of the trade, and little secrets RDM is capable of. It has nothing to do with "RDM being some kind of Primary healer or Raiser".

This is just another case of you inserting yourself into a argument and creating a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic or conversation.

[Gruntler]

1a) there is an exception to this rule: If you ever enter a fight and the tank gives you a countdown (preferably 10 seconds or more) pop Acceleration at about 8 seconds. THE MOMENT you see the giant 5 for the countdown appear start hardcasting either Verthunder or Veraero then follow up with the other one. this will give you an instant "double proc". (See point 5 for double proc)

You can actually do it around 12 seconds left, hit your first three casts, and it'll come up a little sooner.

6c) If using displacement will kill you then use Engagement (which we get at level 72). It shares the cooldown and has 50 less potency but you wont jump back to your death.

As an addendum, if your melee combo comes up at a time where you have to delay displacement, you can use engagement on cooldown so you can eke out another engagement later. 4 engagements per manafication = 3 displacements per manafication, which is what you normally can do.

7) At Lv. 76 we get Reprise (which itself is a weak and useless melee ranges weaponskill). For the cost of 5 Black and 5 White mana it becomes a 300 potency ranged weaponskill. If you have 90/90 or better and have to wait a second to go in for your combo due to mechanics (i.e.: an AOE around the boss, tecker AOE's on the party members, or some other mechanic) pop a couple of these off until it is safe to go in or you can cast a few spell without capping the bar.

A couple notes on Reprise's other uses. Movement, obviously.

If you're at the end of a fight and you know you can't get another melee off, it's okay to spam Reprise as it's more potency per second than Verstonefire->Verthundaero.

8a) Use Swiftcast whenever you can, AND CAST A LONGCAST spell with it.

If you can save it for movement it's a gain over Reprise, but otherwise, yes, use it or lose it.

I hope these pointers are useful. Have fun with RDM and remember you are not the "Rez Dispenser" you are a DPS job.

Also, want to add:

Vercure is not in your kit to make you a 'secondary healer.' Its got 350 potency per gcd; this is less than Physick. It's fine for emergencies (both healers are down and you're trying to recover) but it's real use is priming Dualcast during boss downtime.

[Neela]

serious? xD u argued 2 month with the community „that u never just dps but heal and res a lot cause it’s part of the toolkit“ - you said parses don’t show reality because parser won’t use those skills like you do.

Aside of that? It’s about tricks? So using dual cast (a basic cls mechanic) for heal & res is a trick? What about the several time in a row argument? U simply can’t (better shouldn’t) cause u will penalty yourself if u do with an empty manapool.

Yet it’s still not personal but just misleading, if not even false, information you spread. That’s all. I know you are not trolling, you just don’t know better... but than again talking about „tricks“ is even more funny to read if that said person didn’t even get the base-mechanics/calculation of how things work in the first place.

What I don’t know is why u always have to show your inexperience in that way. Maybe start endgame, get used to terms and facts, what exactly is meant by balance and how different cls synergies influence your own game. Learn to discuss on bases, proof your claims better than just „because I feel it“. Your (grey%) casual game is not the place to talk about balance/adjustments/optimizing cause it’s totally irrelevant in those discussions. You don’t see the difference... but you have to if you want to be heard - without a lol.

Than and only than... come back and maybe I won’t call you out anymore. As long as u stay to your mindset - I promise I will stay on my.

[Silverquick]

serious? xD u argued 2 month with the community „that u never just dps but heal and res a lot cause it’s part of the toolkit“ - you said parses don’t show reality because parser won’t use those skills like you do.

Another Strawman argument. I never said any of that.

I do recall saying that after I got some experience in high level Shadowbringer instances that I ended up spending so much time Ressing and backup healing that my DPS suffered for it and a lot of other RDMs likely do too.
Due to so many deaths and near party wipes in Alliance Raids and other Trials where half the party including healers would constantly go down. The only reason they didn't total wipe was because I actually did that up to and including filling in to heal the Tank to keep him alive while simultaneously Verraising the Healers and even some DPS like SMNs to assist in Raising. Because the healer doesn't Instantly have MP back once raised.

Ergo... Logs in many cases do not show true RDM DPS and get included bringing the average down when it does not reflect reality.

Aside of that? It’s about tricks? So using dual cast (a basic cls mechanic) for heal & res is a trick? What about the several time in a row argument? U simply can’t (better shouldn’t) cause u will penalty yourself if u do with an empty manapool.

Verrraise does not cost 10,000 MP to cast it costs 2400. So you can do multiples in a row and you still have Lucid Dreaming for MP restore plus Super Ethers.

That is enough to Raise both Healers, the Tank, and possibly at your choosing a DPS like an RDM or SMN who can assist.

Yet it’s still not personal but just misleading, if not even false, information you spread.

No Neela, you are describing yourself.

[Neela]

Another Strawman argument. I never said any of that.

Oh really?... its not the first time people must remind you of your own words. cause u often came around with "never said that".
So let me give you a helping hand:

That's great and all.

But after personal experience now with RDM.

I simply do not and have never spent the majority of my time DPSing in a Raid. I'm doing one of three things, my time is divided between DPSing, Healing, and Raising.

So I cannot put much stock in FFlogs when it comes to measuring DPS from a RDM.

Fair enough,

But also consider that you were talking about an "average" from FF Logs... so you have to account for the fact a lot of Red Mage DPS being submitted probably also includes a lot of RDMs who have to do exactly what I said.

So its just not really possible to take the DPS outputs from FFLogs with regards to Red Mage to be much different as they too would include a lot of Red Mages who split their time DPS, Healing, and Ressing.

Parses are the „only“ reality my dear. They are calculated on set values not on „your weird feelings“. High % player proof they get the games base mechanics and mastered the optimization on their respective cls. Grey % (your status) just shows that you struggle A LOT with uptime or simple just didn’t get your base rotation yet. And that is a hard fact - if you like it or not. Even the try to explain your factory run just shows your inexperience. There is not much output from balance which you can argue about - those who do, do it just because of one reason: they don't understand it. See? Its not about that one specific run but about your overall understanding about how things work. And that is sadly not much:

Verrraise does not cost 10,000 MP to cast it costs 2400. So you can do multiples in a row and you still have Lucid Dreaming for MP restore plus Super Ethers.
That is enough to Raise both Healers, the Tank, and possibly at your choosing a DPS like an RDM or SMN who can assist.

If you ever encounter such a scenario in endgame (out of progress or full BiS party) your task as RDM is absolutely not to res anyone but to jump off the edge and wipe that run on purpose cause you would never pass upcoming dps checks or the enrage - yet again you would know that if you would play endgame at all. There are no situations (other than running casual dailys) where multiple res' are worth at all. You have no clue how to use combat res on smn/rdm in serious content cause you never played that kind of content up until now – but curiously are talking like you would lead the Balance Discord yourself.

But what should I say if you even forgot what you said 2 weeks ago… this will never end. Check, make your move.

No Neela, you are describing yourself.

Oh than gimme an example where I mislead or spread false information like you do in nearly every post - im *really* curious what u gonna come up with : )

[Silverquick]

Oh really?... its not the first time people must remind you of your own words. cause u often came around with "never said that".
So let me give you a helping hand:

Are you really that delusional?

What you quoted says exactly what I just said above...

Silverquick yesterday:
I do recall saying that after I got some experience in high level Shadowbringer instances that I ended up spending so much time Ressing and backup healing that my DPS suffered for it and a lot of other RDMs likely do too.

Due to so many deaths and near party wipes in Alliance Raids and other Trials where half the party including healers would constantly go down. The only reason they didn't total wipe was because I actually did that up to and including filling in to heal the Tank to keep him alive while simultaneously Verraising the Healers and even some DPS like SMNs to assist in Raising. Because the healer doesn't Instantly have MP back once raised.

Ergo... Logs in many cases do not show true RDM DPS and get included bringing the average down when it does not reflect reality.

It says exactly what you just quoted from 2 months ago ... namely THIS...
And it does not match your claim of... "„that u never just dps but heal and res a lot cause it’s part of the toolkit“

Silverquick 2 Months ago
That's great and all.

But after personal experience now with RDM.

I simply do not and have never spent the majority of my time DPSing in a Raid. I'm doing one of three things, my time is divided between DPSing, Healing, and Raising.

So I cannot put much stock in FFlogs when it comes to measuring DPS from a RDM.

But further says NOTHING about "prefering" it due to the "kit" in fact its the opposite.

Fair enough,
But also consider that you were talking about an "average" from FF Logs... so you have to account for the fact a lot of Red Mage DPS being submitted probably also includes a lot of RDMs who have to do exactly what I said

If you ever encounter such a scenario in endgame (out of progress or full BiS party) your task as RDM is absolutely not to res anyone but to jump off the edge and wipe that run on purpose cause you would never pass upcoming dps checks or the enrage - yet again you would know that if you would play endgame at all.

Well now you know why I don't listen to you.

My groups succeeded the first time through no wipes even when they should have. From the sound of your statements... yours failed.

We succeeded, where you given your words, wiped and failed.

[Neela]

I simply do not and have never spent the majority of my time DPSing in a Raid. I'm doing one of three things, my time is divided between DPSing, Healing, and Raising. So I cannot put much stock in FFlogs when it comes to measuring DPS from a RDM.

it does not match your claim of... "„that u never just dps but heal and res a lot cause it’s part of the toolkit“ my bad : /

but still...eh?...

Fair enough,
But also consider that you were talking about an "average" from FF Logs... so you have to account for the fact a lot of Red Mage DPS being submitted probably also includes a lot of RDMs who have to do exactly what I said

still shows that you dont understand how parses work - those who act like you dividing your time in heal/res/dps are at the very bottom of the % rankings if at all (grey% waaaaaay below avg). Those "avg"-% the community takes for examples are the upper ones (75% is still called avg btw) and trust me NO ONE in the upper % is gonna heal or res at all. Dont talk about statistics if you dont know how the data is gathered/generated.



Delusional?
Yeah, you.

You do not have a single savage clear, nor a single ex-trial mount (aside the ones you can buy with mogry tomes) that alone is an insult for the whole discussion - you are running around in 460gear with a 450 2nd ring and crafted weapons (no upgraded Tome? No Hades?)..... so you haven't even maxed out your main chars gearset, not to mention that your materia melts are wrong - but all that aside tell me in which content did u succeed, while i fail hard?... your "grp" succeed in what? I highly doubt you even have a static at all... nor a "successful" grp who likes to run with a handbreak like you.

I took that sentence cause it was YOUR example - how on earth is that connected to me and my runs? Is that how you react if your back stands to the wall? talking even more bullsh, cause u run out of arguments hmm...? ...well if that's the case you dont have to talk you also can visit me on zodiark at any time - we run whatever you like together in a grp you definitely dont have to heal/res. there we go. Please show me how to RDM or even better how to SMN in person and your deep understanding of the game itself. Im bagging you, pls... q.q


No? : (


Let me guess, beyond your big mouth is nothing to show off - so you sadly will never take this invitation – you are right im really delusional here, sry q.q
But if you unlikely want to stand your ground and proof your claims for once - im waiting with cookies... oh and dw I will downgrade my gear to your level just to be fair :3 ...and yeah it slowly becomes personal if you start to spread rumors on top, sure you wanna take that route? ^^

[Gruntler]

Those "avg"-% the community takes for examples are the upper ones (75% is still called avg btw)

To be blunt, the sorts of people who do are not good enough at math to make the sort of claims they generally do. The mean is never calculated, and the median is 50th percentile by definition. As well, 75% is not the top quartile of all parses, it's the top quartile of everyone's best parses. Parses that are less than the best are not considered for percentile purposes.

Just a nitpick.

[Stormcaster]

Remember that while Verraise and Vercure are nice and all, you are never ever expected to use them outside of emergency when the healer (in dungeons) or both healers (in raids and trials) died. In contents and especially in high-end ones, your primary job is to deal damage. Raising and healing people are not your job. Those are the healers' jobs. Winning the fight early is always better.

[Silverquick]

Remember that while Verraise and Vercure are nice and all, you are never ever expected to use them outside of emergency when the healer (in dungeons) or both healers (in raids and trials) died. In contents and especially in high-end ones, your primary job is to deal damage. Raising and healing people are not your job. Those are the healers' jobs. Winning the fight early is always better.

In a general sense I agree,
But as a Red Mage you will end up in the emergency situation a lot more than you think, so as a Red Mage you better be prepared for it. It still happens to me even after all this time

Just last weekend I was in Copied Factory and the moment I zoned in I see both healers in our team in cutscene. So you can imagine how that went, they were first time ever in Copied Factory rank newbies.

You expect it to happen because they're new, but they died and died and died and died... and then died a few more times for good measure. Luckily for them the team composition was 2 Bards and 3 Red mages. I ended up with two full party saves in that one, and I know one of the other Red Mages did too because I went down once, looked up and saw both healers down and the only one left was a Red Mage who got us all back up.

First part of the Serial Jointed Command Module went ok, then I suddenly look up, and both healers are down, so are all the Bards and Red Mages and I'm going what the hell happened? The only people left standing are me and the Tank?

I had already Verraised the Healers once prior when they went down. So I raised the Healers again with dual casted Verraise and one RDM. kicked in Lucid Dreaming and popped a Super Ether, then picked up a Bard and another RDM. In hind sight I should probably have picked up the Bard before the RDM so we could get the MP quickly but I had to do it quick.

Happened again at 9S. But this time the only one standing besides me was a Bard.

The team Red Mages were busy that day I can tell you. As a Red Mage you are the only one standing between success and making it through vs a team wipe. And I also run into this a lot in the Vauthrie 8 man and the Hades 8 Man.