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[elizeugba]

The only defence of this crap content—and *is* crap content, that's why they elected to make it a one-off—is that it's optional. Having to bribe veterans into doing said content with exorbitant rewards might sit well with you, and that's cool, but I'd rather not have crap content in the game, so I'd be fine with SE replacing it with a streamlined solo duty version.



I missed them my first time through as well. Then, when they became unskippable, I realised that I hadn't missed much of anything (and that's coming from a player who focuses on lore & story). It's a badly designed section of the game—that is still confusing as all get-out unless you know it sideways and back to front—with a badly-told story that you're better off reading about. It only serves as a reminder of how much the game has evolved since 2.0, at least in regard to the way it delivers its story.

What will change in your life if these duties became solo? absolutely nothing, since they are totally optional and you probably don't do them anyway, the only real change will happen for the people that benefit from it, so what you are really saying is: "I don't like this roullete and I'm not gonna do it, so if I'm not getting the rewards, nobody can get them!".

[Unholychinchilla]

It's kind of hilarious now.

WOL: stares blankly
Gaius: How very glib.

It's always appeared to me that my character gives a slight cocked eyebrow. With the response it gets I interpreted it as WOL giving silent sass. That said I do miss the dialogue options. Even if it made no difference it gave a better feel of confrontation between hero and villain.

What will change in your life if these duties became solo? absolutely nothing, since they are totally optional and you probably don't do them anyway, the only real change will happen for the people that benefit from it, so what you are really saying is: "I don't like this roullete and I'm not gonna do it, so if I'm not getting the rewards, nobody can get them!".

I do MSQ roulette every day, it's a nice source of experience or a lazy way to rack up tomes. I still think making it a solo or trust dungeon is the best choice for the game as a whole.

As it is now it's still a bit clunky. The fact that a new player is in there with several high geared players means bosses fold easily which reduces the spectacle. Plus the cutscenes differ in length based on client language so it's not uncommon for the fight to start with you still in cutscene. Some bosses are already half dead by the time some players get out of cutscene. Plus hearing the sound of Gaius fighting in the background while he's still giving his speech is daft. Same with Lahabread but that fight was always a bit of a lame duck.

This all makes an awkward delivery of the story finale for new players who should be the focus here, imo. They're the reason this roulette exists at all. A solo or trust version will go at the pace of the player doing it for the story (and if they don't care at all they can just skip) and be a little better tuned to actually be more in line with other MSQ duties. I'd actually like if Cape Westwood got similar treatment. That was a fun fight (if not all that hard) back in the day and now I just feel bad for Rhitatyn.

Us vets will survive without our roulette, it's not as if other avenues of gaining experience and tomes are all that hard, after all.

Beyond that what we currently have is the best solution for reasons already given multiple times in this thread and the many others on the subject.

[Iscah]

Is it weird that I miss the dialogue options Gaius used to have in Prae? When the cutscenes were made unskippable, they all defaulted to the "...." answer, but you used to be able to pick at a few points. It made about as much difference as any other dialogue option in the game, but it was still a nice touch.

I miss it too. It worked well in that point.

There was clearly one intended response for the script and Gaius only really responded as if you'd said it - but I think some dialogue options like that aren't really there to give the player options so much as to have their character "speak directly" in a way they normally can't in cutscenes.

It happens in other places too, usually at key points in the story - the options aren't much of a choice, but it's dialogue for your character.

[Hasrat]

It's kind of hilarious now.

WOL: stares blankly
Gaius: How very glib.

It is a bit funnysad, watching him go on and on with his monologue, while we just stare into space. He prepared this whole big speech, and we can't even give a grunt of acknowledgement.

At this point we may as well be /dozing, I don't think he'd even notice.

[purgatori]

What will change in your life if these duties became solo? absolutely nothing, since they are totally optional and you probably don't do them anyway, the only real change will happen for the people that benefit from it, so what you are really saying is: "I don't like this roullete and I'm not gonna do it, so if I'm not getting the rewards, nobody can get them!".

No, what I'm really saying is: axe garbage content from the game, and attach rewards to activities that possess a modicum of intrinsic fun. I think it's betrays bad design when you have to bribe players into doing certain things in game that they would not, under any circumstances (I understand that this is an MMO, so some enticement is always needed for any piece of content) do otherwise. But hey, if you insist on attaching rewards to garbage content instead of good content, then more power to ya.

[Viersel]

This topic AGAIN? How many times do we need to go over this?

Look, plain and simple: If you want all those lovely tomes and MASSIVE exp reward - you have to sit through the cut scenes. That's the ONLY REASON they put in the increased rewards. Cause, effect.

The moment they remove the forced aspect of those cut scenes is the EXACT moment that they will REMOVE the upgraded rewards. You will no longer DESERVE them. You will not be earning them. The rewards are for your invested TIME. If you can just skip them, you no longer are taking the time to do something and no longer get all that juicy exp and the extra tomes. Period. End of story. There is literally no getting around or arguing with this basic fact.

If you don't like wasting your time? You shouldn't do the roulette. That's all there is to it. Really. The roulette was put in place to help new people actually SEE THE STORY the way that they intended without being bullied and left behind by jaded and rude vets who only cared about getting through it 'as fast as possible' and leaving them behind, bum-rushing bosses, and forcing them to just sit there being dragged from boss to boss without seeing a thing... which is what you all want to do to them as well. 'You can see them in the inn!' is nor fair or good to players who actually enjoy or want to see things AT THE TIME. And yes, there are people who DO want to actually see it as it happens. It matters.

I sincerely, deeply, REALLY hope that they finish re-doing the ARR 2.0 story soon and that includes CM and Prea, turning them into TRUST-like dungeons that no longer require 8-man groups.... which completely rip out the MSQ Roulette. Just remove all that exp/tome reward. No more threads. No more people exploiting. And people can level other ways.

Thank you for this!!!!!!!! took my words right out of my mouth

[Tlamila]

No, what I'm really saying is: axe garbage content from the game

So since you don't like something it must be garbage and taken out of the game.
Yeah, totally mature and reasonable.

[MeanDragon]

I like doing MSQ roulettes. It's a nice little thing I can do that doesn't require a lot of brainpower that gives me massive rewards. If they decide to take it away it probably wouldn't effect me too much, but I do like doing it.

[purgatori]

So since you don't like something it must be garbage and taken out of the game.
Yeah, totally mature and reasonable.

You're right. I know I'm alone in thinking it's garbage; that's why SE has to bribe people to do it, and why they kept adding new cutscene-infested MSQ dungeons for each new expansion.

[Zeviax]

I didnt know there was suggestions to this already on this forum I am new here, sorry to trouble all of you. I will remove it