Monk and Samurai the immortal gods of Feast.

[snipski]

Please put a higher cooldown on their, Riddle of Earth or Chiten so you actually have any kind of window to kill these jobs.

Pair Arms length with these and you basicly have no window to kill them if they are good at their jobs.

Im sick of having to ignore making calls on these two jobs the whole point of feast is the ability to suprise burst someone down as a dps.

[MushyMusashi]

NIN in 5.15: kills MNKs/SAMs in PVP

MNK/SAM players in 5.15: “nINjA iS tOo oP In pVP. fIX NoW SE! bEfORe fEASt! iT’s bROkEn!”

SE in 5.18: nerfs s**t out of NIN. no other jobs get decreasing adjustments

MNK/SAM in 5.18: can’t be killed by dps burst in Feast

gg

[Shinklet]

NIN in 5.15: kills MNKs/SAMs in PVP

MNK/SAM players in 5.15: “nINjA iS tOo oP In pVP. fIX NoW SE! bEfORe fEASt! iT’s bROkEn!”

SE in 5.18: nerfs s**t out of NIN. no other jobs get decreasing adjustments

MNK/SAM in 5.18: can’t be killed by dps burst in Feast

gg

Don't blame us for this, we told them that all the phys range (other than dnc) sucked and felt awful, we told them that rdm was a joke compared to blm and smn.

Don't blame the playerbase for Square's apathy when it comes to pvp, that's entirely on them.

Wait for 5.2 though, by all means, so they can screw it up again and ask us to wait till 5.3 in 2 liveletter's time.

Just wait for New World at this point

[MushyMusashi]

Don't blame us for this, we told them that all the phys range (other than dnc) sucked and felt awful, we told them that rdm was a joke compared to blm and smn.

Don't blame the playerbase for Square's apathy when it comes to pvp, that's entirely on them.

Wait for 5.2 though, by all means, so they can screw it up again and ask us to wait till 5.3 in 2 liveletter's time.

Just wait for New World at this point

I mean, I specifically saw sams and monks (and some tanks too, if I’m honest) complaining about ninja being “broken” and “too op”, so I referenced it. SE also referenced the player base “feedback” in rolling out the 5.18 changes - which only adversely affected ninja, and only its dps - so there’s that too.

Are SE primarily to blame? Yeah. But the player base are far from blameless. People riot when a job they don’t main gets decent buffs and threatens to take “top dps”. I too would love to see rdm, brd and mch all get big buffs and be problems to deal with on the field. I also don’t mind if sam, mnk and drg are all strong AF, but make ninja that too. I dunno, kinda like how they had it in 5.15...

It’s competitive team content, it should require team tactics and skill to get wins, no matter the comp. Nerfing one job into the ground because the player base cried their eyes out over its damage output is ridiculous. Really, that fault lies with SE, they did it, but the player base needs to chill with the uproars over changes that benefit someone other than them. I mean, ninjas weren’t one-shotting people or anything, they were just AS competitive. And that was apparently a major issue. But other dps jobs having top dps AND tank-like defences is fine, why? Because nin players don’t whine enough on the forums?

You are right though, SE are very apathetic towards PvP, and will undoubtedly roll out more garbage changes in 5.2, then promise adjustments over later patches, months later. It’ll never be 100% balanced, and they will never make everyone 100% happy, but panic nerfs because cry babies want unchallenged wins/big boi damage is stupid, and Square AND the players are to blame for that.

[RyuSaarva]

evryone is a immortal god currently, it's just too easy to heal 4 people with infinite mp.

[Rufalus]

Mmm maybe it could be balanced by adding big burst attacks as role actions? So all melee would have the same one. And these would be Feast-only actions, not available in Frontlines.

And on the other hand FL could receive its own exclusive actions that aren't available in Feast, like big aoe attacks that do not require a target, since we do a lot of fighting as swarms there and the tab targeting gets annoying in large scale pvp.

I think if there's a way for pvp to be more fun and balanced it's in further separation of the actions available to each mode. Rival Wings kind of succeeds because both teams have the same access to mecha so job balance isn't so important there.

[Guesswhat]

Just delet feest, problem solved yo

[Myon88]

Reminder that Lord of Verminion is,

• More balanced than the actual PvP in this game
• Has a way higher skill ceiling than the feast
• 1v1, so you can't get carried and you never have to worry about teammate rng

In a better timeline all the effort that goes into PvP maps, rewards, ranking systems and the FRC would go to LoVM instead, but sadly the world isn't that convenient.

Shout out to the 1 guy on the SE team in charge of assigning stats to minions, whoever they are, they're a giga brain who has been keeping the metagame accessible and the strong perks away from the real-money obtained minions.

[BloodRubyXII]

Reminder that Lord of Verminion is,

• More balanced than the actual PvP in this game
• Has a way higher skill ceiling than the feast
• 1v1, so you can't get carried and you never have to worry about teammate rng

In a better timeline all the effort that goes into PvP maps, rewards, ranking systems and the FRC would go to LoVM instead, but sadly the world isn't that convenient.

didnt ask

[awesomega]

didnt ask

So satisfying to see you get flamed on the other thread.