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[Zephera]

lmao only 24 arson

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Going to post this again. I feel it necessary to reiterate that the NSW Rural Fire Service Inspector stated that the majority of fires were caused by lightning strikes and embers from existing fires. The actual amount of arsonists charged in NSW is 24 people, not 200. Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-...media/11846434

Or perhaps you have some evidence that the NSW Rural Fire Service Inspector doesn't?

[Nestama]

lmao only 24 arson

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That's what has been reported so far, yes. Any more than that (as in, in the triple digits nearing 200 or more) is a lie being spread by bots and trolls.

[Barraind]

"these people dont believe the same thing I do, they're bots, lolol"

Which is why Australian news sites are saying that no, its Arson, and no, its significantly more than 24 arrested for it in 4 different Australian states, because its all bots.

Australian news is being overrun by bots! Run away!

[Zephera]

"these people dont believe the same thing I do, they're bots, lolol"

Which is why Australian news sites are saying that no, its Arson, and no, its significantly more than 24 arrested for it in 4 different Australian states, because its all bots.

Australian news is being overrun by bots! Run away!

I'm literally linking to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Australia's equivalent to the BBC so they're pretty impartial compared to private news groups like Seven, and the NSW Rural Fire Service Inspector outright says that the major factor in these fires isn't arson. It's not a factor of other people believing different things, an expert has laid out the facts based on on the ground observation and some people are choosing to not listen to an experts analysis.

EDIT: Also, just checked your links again. None of them mention 200 arsonists, and the last you linked states the same number of 24 arsonists charged. Your own links disprove your claims so you clearly didn't read them. What reason do you have to lie?

Also, would still love to hear which organization is paying people to light fires according to you. You could tell our police too.

[NessaWyvern]

Even our kiwi news is reporting on the bots and trolls that are spreading that "200 arsonists" lie. The bots were probably started by climate change deniers, who want to make it seem like the problem was caused by people lighting fires, rather than Australia having a terrible, long-lasting drought which was made worse by climbing temperatures.

[Nestama]

I'm literally linking to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Australia's equivalent to the BBC so they're pretty impartial compared to private news groups like Seven, and the NSW Rural Fire Service Inspector outright says that the major factor in these fires isn't arson. It's not a factor of other people believing different things, an expert has laid out the facts based on on the ground observation and some people are choosing to not listen to an experts analysis.

Now why does this sound so familiar?

[Iscah]

Heres a sample, starting in November and running until current. Theres more stories, but several sources are paywalled.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50568026
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...fires/11717444
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...a6d53c66391516
https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/stat...ting-bushfires
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...tarters-in-nsw

Current speculation is that 85% of the fires in Queensland, NSW, Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania have been arson, and a few of the remainder are accidental due to cigarettes. This includes 183 arson arrests and more detained on suspicion.

I didn't see any of those statistics in the articles I read.


The articles you linked aren't all relating to the current fires either, and show how easily we can count to "24 charges of arson" without it necessarily being a major cause of the fires that are happening right now. (And as I understand it, three people in one incident would be "three charges".)

From what I can gather, the actual charge seems to cover any deliberately lit destructive fire, regardless of the intent.

(The quote boxes are not quotes as such, just organising my notes.)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50568026

- one man charged with seven counts of alleged arson since October
- "the man is not accused over [major bushfires]", but it put more strain on firefighters already fighting those fires.
- not outright stated in the article, but it sounds like those particular fires were put out, or they probably would have mentioned it led to a major fire.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...fires/11717444

- 18 people have been "dealt with by police" in the state of Queensland regarding the recent fires, 10 of them children or teenagers

- over the past two years, a total of 136 children have been charged with deliberately lighting fires of some kind, although only 18 were convicted

- yearly numbers of 22, 88, 48 charges

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...a6d53c66391516

* The Australian is a "right-wing" newspaper and is unlikely to be attributing the increased fire risk to climate change.

In any case, the article talks about the NSW police being "set to charge more than a dozen suspected arsonists" - which is well within the stated total of 24 - plus 56 "charges or cautions" since August.

In combination with the previous article saying there were 136 charges but only 18 convictions, I gather there's no guarantee every "charge" is in fact a valid case.

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/stat...ting-bushfires

Two links for the price of one, and (along with The Australian) I seem to have given traffic to people I'd rather not.
The tweet is from Seven News, but the URL indicates a redirect from "Zero Hedge" (which Wikipedia tells me "has been associated with alt-right views") and the URL "nearly 200 people arrested across Australia deliberately starting bushfires".

Call me a poor journalist but it's too late at night and I don't fancy giving them any more traffic actually investigating that link, which I would assume to be one of the misinformation-articles that the ABC was warning against.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...tarters-in-nsw

More about the nature of arsonists, with an interesting quote (that I thought might be a statistic but didn't know where to look) - "estimates up to half the 54,000 bushfires that hit Australia on average each year are deliberately lit or suspicious."

Note the maximum level of hyperbole - "estimates", "up to", "suspicious" (but not confirmed)... but still.

54,000 fires a year.

Assuming that statistic is accurate (it might be counting very small and unremarkable incidents), even if it was only 10% or 5% rather than "up to half", that would still mean every year thousands of fires of some degree are deliberately lit - so why is this year different?

Deliberately lit fires are (regrettably) nothing new. The people who would do such a thing haven't all come out of nowhere since last year.

The issue is that the climate right now is producing conditions where fires - however they started - are becoming more destructive and harder to fight.

I am in no way trying to absolve them. It's a monstrous thing that someone would willingly start a fire.

But at the same time, we can't just say "this year's disaster is because of arsonists". We have them every year, but we do not have these conditions and this degree of catastrophe.

[Maero]

Was it a slight chance that some idiot had a smoke and threw a butt out?
I know many places in which that has happened. I know Australia is so damn hot and dry, if it was arson the ones involved should get harsh punishment.

It is very sad seeing houses and lives lost and all of course the animals like the Koalas and such.

[SpecialTaskForce]

Australia is experiencing devastating wild fires all across thier continent, so as a means of us as adventures to make a real world difference I want to ask the FFXIV Game Developers to please create a Kangaroo mount for purchase on the online Mog Station store. For this mount however have all proceeds from customer purchases to be used as a donation fund for the Wildlife of Australia. They need heros both big and small to help make a difference and save a life. Let us, the Warriors of Light/Darkness, be there for our neighbors in Australia!

WTF why? Australia is very wealthy and one of the happiest countries in the world, let them spend there own money instead of other peoples money also I've seen a GM give a warning to someone for advertising a charity. This sounds like RMTING!!!

[ausanimal]

WTF why? Australia is very wealthy and one of the happiest countries in the world, let them spend there own money instead of other peoples money also I've seen a GM give a warning to someone for advertising a charity. This sounds like RMTING!!!

And yet when something happen's in other countries Australia is quick to offer help with out a 2nd thought, something major happens to the USA everywhere you look in Australia they are trying to rise money to help them out or by some other means. How is it RMT when the OP suggested a new mount and part off the profits go to help Australian wildlife out unless you are claiming that SE takes part in RMT, maybe turn on the news and see how much the fires have affected things and look at the bigger picture its not just the fire fighters but everyone else that has volunteered to help out with this.

I'm pretty sure wherever you live if something major happens like the fires you have people that will volunteer to help out in some way if they can or do's everyone just sit on there ass? Just like people suggestion they put a hold on houses being demolished because of it and getting backlash for it we didn't ask for these fires but yet people are stepping up to help out and put there lives on the line to save others, wildlife, houses etc. The last thing on there mind would be this game but when they are able to come back and play it then it would be great to see they haven't lost there house because they were saving lives in real life.

But i guess Australians think off other people and countries if and when they need help more then you do.