One dungeon per patch!?

[Lambdafish]

Introducing "content" that even 80% of players don't try is a very smart decision. Who would doubt that.

A theme park MMO is one that caters for all types of players. I have done Grand Cosmos once. Just because I CAN access it, doesn't mean that it is worthwhile content to me, everyone I have spoken to is not bothered about this change because dungeons as a piece of content are stale and bland. I would say that overexposing players to content that they don't enjoy is more stupid than implementing extremely difficult (yet extremely enjoyable) content.

[tdb]

I think he was being sarcastic.

So was I, or at least trying to. I intended to imply that ultimates are casual content (due to some stuff in a different thread), but I worded it badly so it came across differently. Oh well.

[Nestama]

A theme park MMO is one that caters for all types of players. I have done Grand Cosmos once. Just because I CAN access it, doesn't mean that it is worthwhile content to me, everyone I have spoken to is not bothered about this change because dungeons as a piece of content are stale and bland. I would say that overexposing players to content that they don't enjoy is more stupid than implementing extremely difficult (yet extremely enjoyable) content.

This right here is why I don't mind getting one dungeon per patch. They're all the same, with a boss that might have a neat new mechanic that's really just annoying to deal with when the only dungeon you get in roulette is that one dungeon. The blue fire debuff mechanic was neat the first time 'round.

It stopped being neat after two months of getting the same dungeon over and over despite there being 4 options.

[Silverquick]

I'm actually the opposite.

I prefer the more and deeper route. The reasons I like Alliance Raids and Dungeons, over 8-Mans and Trials is that Trials are little more than a stripped down boss battle and a single fight. That's it. If there is ever anything that gets boring fast its the same old single fight over and over again which is what an 8-man Trial is.

It feels like skipping straight to the Boss without ever doing the dungeon crawl. So they feel like little more than candy or desert.

When I do either an Alliance Raid or a Dungeon I feel like I'm getting a full course meal. I feel "satisfied" when I'm done...

...not so with a Trial or 8-man.

While its true that running the same Dungeon over and over will eventually get boring... in no way does it get boring faster than an 8 Man which is only a single fight over and over.

Can you imagine if they tore out all the content of a dungeon and skipped straight to the final fight over and over again and that's all you ever played?
Well that's an 8 man Trial.

At least with an Alliance Raid I am "full" when I'm done with it. Same with a full Dungeon crawl even though they too leave me a little hungry as they seem to be so much shorter nowadays.

Now the real kicker here is, I tried Eureka too, and I didn't mind it. It was ok and I'd go back again. But soon I was right back to running Dungeons and Alliance Raids again with the occasional 8-Man Trial. Honestly if Eureka does have things like the old FFXI dungeons, I just might hop in there to go explore them.

[Hazama999]

Just drop dungeons altogether, Yoshi. They are not interesting.
They feel like little more than a formality nowadays. As if someone went "ah, right, MMO. Have a dungeon."

[Mahoukenshi]

Just drop dungeons altogether, Yoshi. They are not interesting.
They feel like little more than a formality nowadays. As if someone went "ah, right, MMO. Have a dungeon."

Which is, of course, and without a doubt totally different from raids, trials and their difficulties whatever they are called across MMOs, right? "But muh savich mohd and alitmate content!!!!"

[Vidu]

Which is, of course, and without a doubt totally different from raids, trials and their difficulties whatever they are called across MMOs, right? "But muh savich mohd and alitmate content!!!!"

One type of dungeon-replacement we got was Eureka - and while that wasnt to everyones taste (personally I didnt like it very much), it was different from dungeons, trials, raids etc.

Hazamas point also was that dungeons are not intresting - and while I still believe that there can be intresting elements to them, specially in terms of overall aesthic design and music, they're actually not that intresting gameplay-wise, at least not to me. Raids and Trials (of either difficulty) have a lot more intresting mechanics than your average dungeon-boss - we dont even really need to mention trash-mobs when it comes to intresting fight-design...

There isnt a need to do away with everything thats been established in the MMO-genre, but one should take a hard look at those things and ask themself if a certain part of content is really still that intresting - or if it cant be replaced with a "fresher" idea (Eureka, in a sense) or by a different type of established content thats more engaging (a trial, for example).

[Latarma]

well i will miss the 2nd dungeon if the one per patch allows for more versed side content and such ok. My hope is that the lack of a 2nd dungeon will allow for the Relic weapons to begin (at least int he next xpac) after finishing the MSQ and not waiting almost 6 mounths

[Tsalmaveth]

"just drop dungeons"

.....excuse me? You realize that is where they're telling a lot of the story? This is still a Final Fantasy game. It's still a STORY game. If you don't like them... I'm sorry? This game isn't just for you, it's for everyone. So they're spacing things out and have a lot more to upkeep and work on. Oh well. They have stuff they're working on. Personally, I'm fine with it.

[Hazama999]

Relax. It's just a wild suggestion.
They could tell the story in other ways that don't necessarily involve walking down a hallway with adjacent bells and whistles.