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    Quote Originally Posted by linay View Post
    Possibly all the new contents in Stormblood (Ultimate, Baldesion Arsenal, etc.).
    Maybe.... I abandoned Eureka early on, so I can't speak to the arsenal as content... but couldn't that be considered that we lost 4 dungeons so that they could make 1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    Maybe.... I abandoned Eureka early on, so I can't speak to the arsenal as content... but couldn't that be considered that we lost 4 dungeons so that they could make 1?
    And 2 Ultimates and maybe other things as well, like Masked Carnival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linay View Post
    And 2 Ultimates and maybe other things as well, like Masked Carnival.
    Yay, ultimates, that content who all people can access easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omymy View Post
    Yay, ultimates, that content who all people can access easily.
    I'm sure ultimates are beneath a WoW Mythic+ veteran like you, but please try to understand that us casuals need something to do as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
    I'm sure ultimates are beneath a WoW Mythic+ veteran like you, but please try to understand that us casuals need something to do as well.
    I think he was being sarcastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    I think he was being sarcastic.
    So was I, or at least trying to. I intended to imply that ultimates are casual content (due to some stuff in a different thread), but I worded it badly so it came across differently. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
    I'm sure ultimates are beneath a WoW Mythic+ veteran like you, but please try to understand that us casuals need something to do as well.
    Im sure they are, but I have a bad habit of thinking in general and not just about myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    In SB, you 'lost' three dungeons. (4.1, 4.3 and 4.5 only having one dungeon as opposed to the 2 per patch in HW.)

    You 'gained' the Arsenal, two Ultimate fights, and four zones for Eureka. With quests, several Notorius Monster fights per zones, and the logos system in the later two zones.
    Let's not pretend dungeons alone bought us all that; any fair accounting would demand we also throw Diadem, Diadem Revamped, Wonderous Tails, and perhaps Aquapolis into the costs section.

    Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
    I'm sure ultimates are beneath a WoW Mythic+ veteran like you, but please try to understand that us casuals need something to do as well.
    Of all things that might appeal to a casual audience... you pick Ultimates as your bastion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Of all things that might appeal to a casual audience... you pick Ultimates as your bastion?
    They were being sarcastic, I’m fairly sure...

    Quote Originally Posted by Omymy View Post
    Stale and bland > Unaccesible.

    Good night.
    Hard disagree. I’d rather have no content than content that puts me to sleep. “Good night”, indeed.

    It would be different if the dungeons in this game were engaging—but they really aren’t. They’re all the same with a different coat of paint: two pulls > boss > two pulls > boss > two pulls > final boss. Very little variance from that pattern. There’s nothing challenging about them. There’s nothing engaging about them. So I don’t see this as a loss. Maybe they can actually pool more resources into the single dungeon we’re getting and make it not mind-numbing. But I’m probably being too optimistic.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 01-07-2020 at 06:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post

    It would be different if the dungeons in this game were engaging—but they really aren’t. They’re all the same with a different coat of paint: two pulls > boss > two pulls > boss > two pulls > final boss. Very little variance from that pattern. There’s nothing challenging about them. There’s nothing engaging about them. So I don’t see this as a loss. Maybe they can actually pool more resources into the single dungeon we’re getting and make it not mind-numbing. But I’m probably being too optimistic.
    And that kind of applies to Trials, 24man raids, and normal mode raids to a certain degree too. Sure a few mechanics change here and there, but it's still following the same principles over and over. So if having one less dungeon allows the devs to enhance the rest of the content (normal mode or savage) I'd be happy. But I'm perhaps being too optimistic too.
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