Idea for Dragoon Changes

[ForteNightshade]

You should be potting pre-pull, which is nothing new. Bard has to do it due to how busy their opener is.

Your opener should be:



There is some wiggle room. I've seen a handful of Dragoons switch their potion with Dragon Sight; using the latter at 1 second pre-pull.

Delaying our GCD would require a fairly significantly damage increase to compensate for just how severe .5 seconds would be. That adds up to a GCD loss for every four. A one second loss on our pot or Dragon Sight is far, far less. Simply put, it isn't really needed though I may be among the few Dragoons who still sorta miss Heavy Thrust.

[Renkei]

You should be potting pre-pull, which is nothing new. Bard has to do it due to how busy their opener is.

Your opener should be:



There is some wiggle room. I've seen a handful of Dragoons switch their potion with Dragon Sight; using the latter at 1 second pre-pull.

Delaying our GCD would require a fairly significantly damage increase to compensate for just how severe .5 seconds would be. That adds up to a GCD loss for every four. A one second loss on our pot or Dragon Sight is far, far less. Simply put, it isn't really needed though I may be among the few Dragoons who still sorta miss Heavy Thrust.

This isn't an Inquiry about how to do the opener : It's an Inquiry about Exploration into better lining up dragoons buffs beyond what is possible with the current rotation, even with that rotation Dragoons buffs end up 1 GCD Before everyone else's.

Besides that, nobody even uses the 2.35, or 2.36 Sets because they work better on paper then they seem to work in practice due to the down times in fights for transitions that cannot be properly calculated on paper.
Theoretically Speaking the 2.36 and 2.35 rotation deals more damage then the 2.5 Set, but in Practice the 2.34 set deals more damage then the 2.35 and 2.36 sets, but deals less then the 2.5 set depending if you have a Scholar or not.

Currently nobody in the top 10 spot runs the 2.36 or 2.35 sets due to this issue, it's better on paper but its not better in Practice, On Paper the Best Dragoon set is the 2.38 Set.

The Point of slowing down dragoon GCD is to allow there to be an increase in damage in OGCD abilities, of course slowing it down will give them a damage boost, look at Monk for Example with fist of fire before it was changed, It used to slow down their GCD, an ability that slow downs DRGs GCD while increasing Damage Output is the perfect ability for the class and remedies the issues with Clipping GCDs this isn't an Issue of "L2P DRG" , It's an Solution to DRGs Constant Issue with Clipping Abilities ... This is beyond that it's about realigning the buff window to what it used to be - There's plenty of dragoons that either use Potion where dragon-sight is in your rotation, but there is only 10 people in the top 50 that use 2.36 sets.../

[ForteNightshade]

This isn't an Inquiry about how to do the opener : It's an Inquiry about Exploration into better lining up dragoons buffs beyond what is possible with the current rotation, even with that rotation Dragoons buffs end up 1 GCD Before everyone else's.

Besides that, nobody even uses the 2.35, or 2.36 Sets because they work better on paper then they seem to work in practice due to the down times in fights for transitions that cannot be properly calculated on paper.
Theoretically Speaking the 2.36 and 2.35 rotation deals more damage then the 2.5 Set, but in Practice the 2.34 set deals more damage then the 2.35 and 2.36 sets, but deals less then the 2.5 set depending if you have a Scholar or not.

Currently nobody in the top 10 spot runs the 2.36 or 2.35 sets due to this issue, it's better on paper but its not better in Practice, On Paper the Best Dragoon set is the 2.38 Set.

The Point of slowing down dragoon GCD is to allow there to be an increase in damage in OGCD abilities, of course slowing it down will give them a damage boost, look at Monk for Example with fist of fire before it was changed, It used to slow down their GCD, an ability that slow downs DRGs GCD while increasing Damage Output is the perfect ability for the class and remedies the issues with Clipping GCDs this isn't an Issue of "L2P DRG" , It's an Solution to DRGs Constant Issue with Clipping Abilities ... This is beyond that it's about realigning the buff window to what it used to be - There's plenty of dragoons that either use Potion where dragon-sight is in your rotation, but there is only 10 people in the top 50 that use 2.36 sets.../

Yes, I'm aware. Which is why I also addressed the fact slowing Dragoon's GCD down would require significantly buffing their oGCDs. .5 is nothing to snuff at. And this is all to save one extra second on Dragon Sight or your pot. Put another way, the loss is completely negligible.

As for the opener, you missed the arrow in the image. It isn't showcasing the 2.35 opener but saying "if your SkS is 2.36 or higher do this opener; if it's 2.35 or lower, do this opener instead." And you mean Riddle of Fire, the ability that almost every Monk despised so much they abandoned it in 5.05? I don't think that's a good example.

[Renkei]

It's a perfectly Valid Example. It's not just 1 second, It's 3.5 seconds, Check all Instances of the Savage Battles logged if you need more infromation in the GCD Timings, Riddle of Fire Increase GCD and raised over-all damage.

This was Mentioned in the OP - I Didn't want to hand hold to give examples for math but fine here's a logical Conclusion for you, If you increase the GCD by 20% for example, then you increase damage output by 20% by Buffing Blood of the Dragon.

This Dynamically changes the opener

Example 1- I've ran some Simulations Mathematically and came to the Conclusion that if you buff Blood of the Dragons effect and add a 20% Flat Damage Increase at the cost of 20% GCD, you are buffing Dragon-fire Dive, Geir, Nastrond, Star-diver not to mention the damage from your DOT.

Example 2 - Gain Results in Dragoon Solving Clipping Issues, Gives Perfect Raid Buff Alignment, Makes up for the loss of Heavy Thrust Indirectly.

Example 3 - Dragoon is oGCD Heavy Already, if you increased damage output by the a flat amount, all oGCDs will be getting indirectly buffed. Nastrod and Jump are the biggest damage Dealers for oGCDs, all the gains end up being near 5% which is around 825 DPS, I Wouldn't call that "Negligible" hell i wouldnt even call it net-neutral

off topic Balance Inquiry : Why isn't Life Surge changed to flat damage increase?

[ForteNightshade]

It's a perfectly Valid Example. It's not just 1 second, It's 3.5 seconds, Check all Instances of the Savage Battles logged if you need more infromation in the GCD Timings, Riddle of Fire Increase GCD and raised over-all damage.

You're not reading what I'm saying. I didn't say it wasn't plausible but rather Monk mains despised it. Therefore, giving Dragoon a permanent version of an ability Monk players hated isn't a good idea.

And all because you're trying to save a single second on your potion or Dragon Sight. It's change for changes sake that will likely piss off people far more than being a welcomed addition. Bards have been pre-pulling potting since Heavensward. It really isn't a big deal.

[Renkei]

You aren't offering anything constructive to this thread; I've read all your replies thoroughly and the only argument you have is a straw-man one based on another class which is clearly off topic - I am not interesting in arguments.

[ForteNightshade]

You aren't offering anything constructive to this thread; I've read all your replies thoroughly and the only argument you have is a straw-man one based on another class which is clearly off topic - I am not interesting in arguments.

It isn't a straw-man to compare an idea you brought up to one that already existed prior, and was much maligned by the playerbase. At this point, you're just upset I've pointed out your suggestions are neither necessary nor beneficial.