No one should be allowed to queue without a soul stone if applicable.

[Valic]

There needs to be some form of soft lock on your duty finder with the class you're on if you're level 30 and don't have your job stone equipped. I had a case today where we had a thaumaturge in Alexander 8, Burdan of the Son..... Their reply was "too lazy to get the BLM stone" when asked why they're a thaumaturge. I'm sorry but this should not be a thing... If this was anywhere from 30-50 I can see why they might not have known about it or maybe they forgot or they're new to understanding to set their stone with their class change..... But level 60 content and you're joining people's parties with this?....

Can we get a lock on roulettes if you're applying as a class that is well beyond level 30 and makes you unable to queue until it is completed and you have one equipped or something? For example, I can queue as a paladin.... but if I swap to my level 40 archer, it won't let me queue as it? This is just silly and we cant just kick them because there's a 5 minute wait and it doesn't classify as "harassment/afk/offline/etc".

[Darty123]

I used to troll with friends in heavenward and early stormblood in alliance roulette on pugilist, gladiator counjeror ect. Did just fine in clearing the content and did better than most people WITH their job stone's. Its level 60 content why are you tripping about a jobless guy lol.

[Jijifli]

I used to troll with friends in heavenward and early stormblood in alliance roulette on pugilist, gladiator counjeror ect. Did just fine in clearing the content and did better than most people WITH their job stone's. Its level 60 content why are you tripping about a jobless guy lol.

How about one trying to sneak into your savage party.

Considering they said BLU can't duty finder because they can just lack skills, it's weird they don't enforce that same ruling for anything else.

[SenorPatty]

I used to troll with friends in heavenward and early stormblood in alliance roulette on pugilist, gladiator counjeror ect. Did just fine in clearing the content and did better than most people WITH their job stone's. Its level 60 content why are you tripping about a jobless guy lol.

I suppose if those lvl 60s with job stone were just deadbrain-ing their job, then yes, anyone who puts in effort will be better than them.

And you were with friends, yes? Surely that's whole other dynamic than being with complete strangers.

[Raven2014]

I used to troll with friends in heavenward and early stormblood in alliance roulette on pugilist, gladiator counjeror ect. Did just fine in clearing the content and did better than most people WITH their job stone's. Its level 60 content why are you tripping about a jobless guy lol.

You kinda point out the problem for yourself there.

Trolling always fun for the trolls, not for the people being trolled.

[Apopopo]

I used to troll with friends in heavenward and early stormblood in alliance roulette on pugilist, gladiator counjeror ect. Did just fine in clearing the content and did better than most people WITH their job stone's. Its level 60 content why are you tripping about a jobless guy lol.

heavensward had cross class which let you do meme 'builds' by stacking all the dps increasing ogcds, you can't do this anymore, just because you were able to do it literally 4 years ago doesn't mean the game hasn't evolved to a point where this stuff is still possible.

[Frizze]

A level 60 THM is missing key spells from both the single and aoe rotations of an actual BLM. Single target is missing B3, T3, B4, and F4, aoe is missing freeze and flare. Also missing Eno and several other cooldowns. Without doing the actual math, that feels like a character capable of maxing out doing roughly 33-40% of the damage of an actual BLM. I get messing around with friends, but if that guy was for real someone needs to help him understand what a difference it is. OP, this sounds like a justifiable kick under the difference of playstyles criteria. Of course, waiting out the 5 mins would mean youd have to wipe once and he still could get carried if you succeed in spite of him.

[Iscah]

I assume it's something to do with spaghetti coding, and how classes and jobs are programmed to be seen as "separate classes" rather than one being an extension of the other. (For example: not being able to equip/remove your soulstone mid-dungeon because you're not allowed to "change class" from the one you queued with; also not being able to complete conjurer's unicorn mount quest as a white mage.)

It may not be possible to bar classes from selected duties while allowing them to access others. Either that or they're clinging to the "classes are equally viable as jobs" mindset, but everything else suggests they abandoned that approach long ago.

[Rongway]

I assume it's something to do with spaghetti coding, and how classes and jobs are programmed to be seen as "separate classes" rather than one being an extension of the other. (For example: not being able to equip/remove your soulstone mid-dungeon because you're not allowed to "change class" from the one you queued with; also not being able to complete conjurer's unicorn mount quest as a white mage.)

It may not be possible to bar classes from selected duties while allowing them to access others. Either that or they're clinging to the "classes are equally viable as jobs" mindset, but everything else suggests they abandoned that approach long ago.

The PvP category of DF would like to have a word with you.

[Esmoire]

I think this should be a requirement. Either asking for a job stone at least before Titan, or at least 35+, is not asking a lot. I can see why they don't want to hard cap it at 30 flat to give new players some flexibility, though really if you are in your 40s and above without a job stone you should not be allowed to queue at all. At some point I hope they remove job stones on a mechanical level entirely (but keeping them narratively), though right now they would need to change SMN and SCH to make that work since they can equip the same low level tomes.

I assume it's something to do with spaghetti coding, and how classes and jobs are programmed to be seen as "separate classes" rather than one being an extension of the other. (For example: not being able to equip/remove your soulstone mid-dungeon because you're not allowed to "change class" from the one you queued with; also not being able to complete conjurer's unicorn mount quest as a white mage.)

It may not be possible to bar classes from selected duties while allowing them to access others. Either that or they're clinging to the "classes are equally viable as jobs" mindset, but everything else suggests they abandoned that approach long ago.

Nah. PvP already has this limitation. You need to be a non-BLU job to queue. As full jobs by definition start at level 30 at the earliest, that means PvP is essentially asking you to be at least level 30 with a job stone equipped. On a technical level job stones are considered equipment, and equipment is validated before you queue. That's why you can't queue for something where your ilevel is too low.