Thread: Tanks should have increased enmity by deafault!

So, I'm sick of dying in PUGs because the main tank is down and off thank never had their stance on. Some MT's even ask OT to turn their stance off, FFS. I was in a Copied run where two tanks died, and the boss kept chasing other people for almost an entire minute till healers ress'ed one of the dead tanks. But the third (alive) tank never provoked.

Tanks should have increased aggro generation by default, as it is in most of the other games. So if MT is down the next on the list would be another tank (even without their stance on), not the top DPS. Let tanks have their stances to keep MT/OT rotation, but please increase their default enmity.

cant baby people forever
Tanks just need more situational awareness

OT turns the tank stance off because you don't want both the MT and OT eating cleaves by standing in front of it, but yet you don't want the boss flipflopping between two tanks fighting for aggro so that they can dump cleaves on the rest of the group, nor do you want the OT purposefully doing less DPS to make sure the boss stays on the MT.

If an OT is so far into his MAX DEEPS rotation to not notice the MT died, then that's simply on them and when you get back up, remind the OT that he's gotta pay attention. Simple enough.

If they had it on by default you would have aggro ping pong, and you would most likely get cleaved. Imagining alliance raids with that would be absolutely horrifying.

In current content really it should just be:
MT has stance on, pulls
About 4 gcd's in OT can put on stance
Pending on the job combination OT may need to turn it off and turn it back on to avoid stealing aggro, but can also shirk as well if needed.

That's it.

Originally Posted by Noitems

If they had it on by default you would have aggro ping pong, and you would most likely get cleaved. Imagining alliance raids with that would be absolutely horrifying.

In current content really it should just be:
MT has stance on, pulls
About 4 gcd's in OT can put on stance
Pending on the job combination OT may need to turn it off and turn it back on to avoid stealing aggro, but can also shirk as well if needed.

That's it.

Or simply, leave Stance off if you're the OT and -IF- the MT dies (they really shouldn't, but sometimes things happen), you have several seconds to use Stance, Provoke and then use nearly any skill on him and he's yours. Even if the boss did look at someone else, if someone unloads a Foul crit, or Barrage+Refulg, or what-not, your next attack should get it right back on you.

I've done this I don't know how many times, even while focused on another target. Such as Shiva's Ice Golems (admittedly I already had stance because I was the one picking up the golems), or heck I've picked up Susano a few times when they let the MT die. It really doesn't take long to throw stance on, provoke and hurry up and get the boss facing away from the group while you move it to where you want it.

What I hate even more is when the MT gets up, and gets a heal... first thing he does is he tosses a provoke and proceeds to fight me for aggro.

.......while rez weakened. Derp.

Originally Posted by Maeka

Or simply, leave Stance off if you're the OT and -IF- the MT dies (they really shouldn't, but sometimes things happen), you have several seconds to use Stance, Provoke and then use nearly any skill on him and he's yours. Even if the boss did look at someone else, if someone unloads a Foul crit, or Barrage+Refulg, or what-not, your next attack should get it right back on you.

I've done this I don't know how many times, even while focused on another target. Such as Shiva's Ice Golems (admittedly I already had stance because I was the one picking up the golems), or heck I've picked up Susano a few times when they let the MT die. It really doesn't take long to throw stance on, provoke and hurry up and get the boss facing away from the group while you move it to where you want it.

What I hate even more is when the MT gets up, and gets a heal... first thing he does is he tosses a provoke and proceeds to fight me for aggro.

.......while rez weakened. Derp.

I wouldn't advise that personally. A recurring theme I've been having in E4S PUGS is MT dies due to being greedy in the first EE (slow) and due to the OT not setting up stance the highest dps not only eats the first auto but also eats the orange stack (resulting in a domino effect). If the OT had stance it could salvage that by eating the auto and living enough to survive orange and be able to set up mitigation.

If tank stance OT has no chance in hell over taking aggro then there is no reason to not have it on. Some people are lazy and don't want to, but with how strong voke is and how enmity is this expac it's best to keep it on as there won't be an issue.

Because lbr people goof up and you can always better save a run by playing safe and having OT ready to go, and again in a fight like E4S you want both tanks to be top aggro as mechs like Blue knockback-minibusters target those in particular.

it's seems a problem of the hand not the tool, don't ask to tanks being even more brain dead when was the player fault for whatever reason it have.

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