Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

[sdlister]

You got three shirt hints featuring the Grim Reaper on it, one of which doesn't even have a scythe on it, and them being coy about revealing Zenos's new weapon. No more, no less.

This is already more compelling evidence than your idea has. I don't know why you're phrasing it like it's barely anything substantial, given the context and history behind those two factors.

...Turned out it was just two Monks sparing. That alone should serve as a warning about taking something ambiguous from a trailer as a near certainty.

This is really against you, isn't it? Yoshi-P never hinted at dancer and no other factors even implied it outside of Lyse's trailer outfit. The people who thought she'd be dancer wanted her to be a dancer, so they molded the situation into her plausibly being one. I don't even want a scythe job--I want what you're suggesting, but even I can tell it's not likely based on the evidence you've presented.

Yoshida's 007 shirt had people guessing ... very few people guessed Machinist. Most people agreed it was a gun using class but that was about it...

This also works against you. Your situation is like looking at that 007 shirt, ignoring the gun, and claiming it's gambler because Gold Saucer content was added recently.

And Hades is both the Greek God of the Underworld and of the Dead. I think it is disingenuous to say that the name is not connected with death because the Greeks had other gods associated with death like Thanatos and Charon.

You called him the god of death.

Also, saying the fact the Garlean Army fields an armored vehicle called the Reaper is not evidence of a potential Garlean soldier class because we fight on foot is in the same category as saying the scythe can't be a weapon because the Botanists use it already in game.

No it isn't. This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Yoshi-P wear a bunch of shirts referencing a vehicle in Garlemald that has no relation to the job itself, outside of being from the same nation? Would he not simply wear shirts that correspond to the actual job? This is again an issue of thinking Yoshi-P will be inexplicably much more vague about this reveal than he's ever been in the history of FFXIV.

And yes, we can reasonably assume that we will be dealing with the Garlean Army for a good chunk of Endwalker from 5.5....

I like how you rephrased your wording from most to "a good chunk". Those are very different terms. Maybe the Garleans last for a while, and maybe they become a non-issue after a dungeon. To say with authority that we'll be fighting Garleans for most of Endwalker is unreasonable to assume based on one half of a patch, but I'm not going to press it further because it's ultimately irrelevant to the discussion.

[Craiger]

The last shirt during live letter (angel with scythe, too much of a pattern for all these shirts to not be a hint) got me thinking more in the line of Angel of Death specifically.

Didn't really get too far with it, but it does immediately point me towards Azrael when thinking of Angel of Death. While I haven't played tactics, it does also point towards Zalera (anagram of Azrael), and I mean, as far as I can see, that boss has the job "Angel of Death" who spawns undead to fight with him.

As I said, I haven't played the game, so really can't take much more from it, and it probably isn't related at all, but still thought it was interesting.

[Kalaam]

Sdlister, please don't call hints "evidence".
An evidence is a solid, tangible proof of something. Like the fact that Zenos has a new weapon.
The shirts are cryptic hints, not evidences.

[Karl0217]

This is already more compelling evidence than your idea has.

A guess about what Yoshida's shirt hints at is not evidence. Nor is a guess about the nature of Zenos's new weapon evidence. Both are speculation.

And Sice's hair being re-added to the game is circumstantial evidence at best as it was a recurring reward for a seasonal event they were thinking about putting on the Mog Station and then changed their mind about it when the player base pushed back. The other item from the game used to support the scythe theory is Ranjit but he has a draconic theme instead of a death theme; so Ranjit is not exactly conclusive either especially since we can give the draconic themed Dragoon a scythe glamour.

In contrast, the Graleans have a lot death motifs and themes associated with them. They were founded by a guy named after a Greek Death God; Hades was the God of the Underworld and Ruler of the Dead so he is a death god the same way Charon the Ferryman who carried souls across the river Styx was a death god. They also have a war mech called the Reaper. They have soldiers like Gaius with skull faced helmets and Gaius still has his skull face plate clipped to his belt. They field military units like the Crania Lupi (Wolf Skulls), nicknamed the Skulls by the Ala Mighans and their commander Fordola just showed up again in the MSQ. Gaius also just unleashed a new attack called Yellow Death and was shown holding a magitek soul crystal.

And let me point something else out while we are on the subject of Garlemald; we have previously gotten three classes based out of the war torn lands Zenos has ruled over. Ninja (Doma), Samurai (Doma) and Red Mage (Ala Migho). Garlemald in Endwalker is pretty much in the same place Doma and Ala Migho were in Stormblood; war torn with Zenos's troops occupying the territory and Zenos camped out in the royal palace with a primal he intends to merge with. When we have either went to lands Zenos rules over or we have encountered a major NPC whose homeland was fighting Zenos such as Yugiri we have gotten a class based out of that land. This has already happened three times. I wouldn't discount the possibility it will happen a fourth time.

Now none of this is conclusive but there is more circumstantial stuff in the game pointing at the Garleans then there is anything scythe related.

Your situation is like looking at that 007 shirt, ignoring the gun, and claiming it's gambler because Gold Saucer content was added recently.

I don't think you thought this statement through because you were the one arguing in your last two posts that Sice's hairstyle being added to the Golden Saucer was proof the the new melee class would be a scythe wielder.

Also, "most" and "a good chunk" are not mutually contradictory terms as 70% of something would still be most of something and a good chunk of something.

[Kalaam]

Might I add that on the latest shirt, the character with a skullface is riding the creature holding the scythe. Riding a "Reaper" is something garlean officers do (Yes, this is a stretch)


Edit: someone found a high res picture of the shirt's motif. It's not someone riding the back of an angel, it's a naked angel with a skull mask seemingly leading the way (as it is looking behind itself while running) or fleeing from something.
Behind it, there is a big eye partially hidden by the angel.

[Rymi64]

Might I add that on the latest shirt, the character with a skullface is riding the creature holding the scythe. Riding a "Reaper" is something garlean officers do (Yes, this is a stretch)

The character with the skull face is the one holding the scythe. There is no one riding the skull faced character https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...i5unrv3sd4.png

I also think the garlean theory is way more of a stretch than any evidence we have gotten. It's highly likely that zenos will be the rep of the weapon and a loose representation on what the new melee will be like since His samurai was more of a tank than a melee dps. They wouldn't be being this performative with zenos's weapon if he wasn't going to rep the weapon. He also has had training from other parts of ilsabard so he is very versatile in different fighting artes opening up more room for it to be from anywhere.

Looking to Gaius for hints is kinda just wrong imo considering that he has not hinted he wanted to pick up a new matial arte and a attack named yellow death is not great evidence for a hint. Also saying hades is a hint feels wrong as well considering he isn't hades to the empire, he's solus. Like those you're basically chiding you're looking at stuff that don't relate to each other and saying they are related while those saying that the shirts lean towards a scythe wielding job have more grounds to stand on because majority of the shirts have had a scythe on them. If yoshida was hinting at a garlean based job he would probably have used multiple different shirts that show other images that relate to garlemald instead of just ones that invoke the grim reaper, like a predator since they also have a magitek named predator. (Plus the fact that garleans cant manipulate aether)

[Seraphor]

I think a Scythe wielding job modelled on Sice is the obvious option.
They want jobs to be based on something in the series, even XIV's "entirely original" job Astrologian is based on Orran Durai from Tactics. Gunbreaker is clearly based on Squall/Seifer/Lightning. So where whole job concepts like Dancer and Sage can't be found, they tie them into specific characters.
Scythe is a popular choice of weapon, but 'necromancer' is out of the question and the only other scythe wielders in the wider franchise are Dark Knights... or Sice.

I think Zenos' weapon is a bit too on the nose to not be a hint, and he's definitely driving that 'reaper' theme in trying to bring the end of days. Whether or not 'Reaper' ends up being the theme or name of the job I can't be sure, it could simply be the justification for giving Zenos a scythe.

One option I like the sound of is 'Ravager'. This was a job in XII:RW and a role in XIII. A frenzied melee job that utilises magic in the heat of battle... sounds a lot like Sice.

[Karl0217]

If yoshida was hinting at a garlean based job he would probably have used multiple different shirts that show other images that relate to garlemald instead of just ones that invoke the grim reaper, like a predator since they also have a magitek named predator.

If he did that we would still be having this discussion because the Predators wielded scythes in the games, movies and comics; you can even buy Predator toys with scythes:

https://www.amazon.com/NECA-Predator.../dp/B00FWXMSDW

People would still be arguing for scythes using that as evidence and anybody pointing out that the Garleans had a couple of mechs named Predator and Reaper would be told they were reaching.

(Plus the fact that garleans cant manipulate aether)

Neither can Thancred. That didn't stop him from highlighting a new class, Gunbreaker, this expansion.

[sdlister]

Sdlister, please don't call hints "evidence".
An evidence is a solid, tangible proof of something. Like the fact that Zenos has a new weapon.
The shirts are cryptic hints, not evidences.

The word evidence can be defined in two ways: an indication of something, or direct proof. I'm using the former.

[Kalaam]

Then our hints are also evidences.