Child-like characters?

[Lambdafish]

I personally stated quite a few times that I don't care what some perve is doing in the game

You might not, but the devs do care, for an extremely good reason as seen below, thats literally the end of the discussion. There is nothing else to say.

In any event, regardless of what our players did or did not intend to do, the fact remains that if a review board were to evaluate such content and determine it were unacceptable, we would be forced to suspend FFXIV’s service. We ask that you keep these factors in mind as we strive to abide by the changing standards of the times.

[Ftail]

You guys seriously think they'll add child races when they can't even be bothered to create headpieces for the new races? Edit: Let's be honest the protecting children and review board evaluation isn't the real reason, that's just a PR response.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I suppose the fact that some people believe it's appropriate to speak freely about such things on a public forum is proof enough that the development team have done well to take the stance that they have embraced.

It will remain a hard no from the devs so it's pointless to continue this discussion anyway.

[AngeliouxRein]

@Alacran

I saw your disdain but your whole comment was contradicting itself. And it was going to bother me if you didn't realize that. Other than that, if I hadn't been distracted by that, I was originally going to agree with your statement about Lalafells and armor or gear in general. Their too tiny and even the pvp outfits look hilarious on them. Caster and healer are alright but the rest, it either makes me laugh or sad that I am missing details. This is also why I wished there was far better character customization in this game. Something that more people are slowly starting to agree on in their own way.

As for the rest of the comments. Nah, I'm not even here with hopes of them adding another race. I'm not blind to what's happening to Viera and Hrothgar. I saw all the PR comments, the ERP comments and the violence one. I sat there waiting for someone to say the real reasons. Some of you did. Some even stated what I said on the other page in their own words or short version of it. Hell, there was lala on here who even said he felt like he was playing kid as a way to prove his on point. And still, I watched as others ignored them straight up.

So I finally felt the need to be the one to say it. The obvious that so many are STILL trying to ignore. There's major flaws in this game for them to stand behind such a thought and then think they don't need to fix something for it to be solid. IF this community so against it, Alisaei should not have been something you all shrugged your shoulders at. Lalafells being seen as a kid in your eyes and in the same breath you want to toss them in a boiling pot because they're also a potato. You should not even think that way if you feel this strongly about kids. None of that makes sense to me. And apparently you would rather not talk about it, dance around it or just call me or others the pervert.

Cool.

I figured since some mention this topic keeps bouncing up, maybe there could be a discussion on how and why they keep appearing. Throw in some ideas on character customization. Ideas on how they can give people the race they want without controversy. Hell, I even threw in a more detailed comment on what draws me to smaller races awhile back. But instead, most are still focusing on ERP, PR and violence... cool. Great chat. At least there were a few that wanted to talk ideas behind small races/loli/shota for a little bit.

I guess I could have stayed quiet but at the same time, I'm glad I didn't.

[MikkoAkure]

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Not sure why this is a hill you wish to make a last stand on when some of this has already been covered.

I feel like most people understand that there’s a difference between children being present in-game in dire situations and children being a playable option. There are NPCs as young as 16 who are represented in-game with character models using the existing character creator that you can use right now. It’s when people want to play someone younger than that or who looks younger than that where we start entering the controversial zone. There may be games that allow you to enter that zone in CC or have races that are well within the realms of that zone but many are either not available in the west (PSO2) or had that race altered to mitigate controversy (TERA). SE wants to avoid having to have anything to do with that, especially since they’re higher profile.

In regards to lalafell, they’re in a sort of grey space already and it’s not going to be unusual for people to have inconsistent attitudes towards them. They look like kids and they also look different enough for it to be less iffy. But I don’t see how someone thinking that punting lalas is funny and at the same time thinking that lalas in risqué circumstances is gross because they’re child-like invalidates their beliefs or arguments.

The reason this keeps thread keeps getting bumped is because I, like some of the people in this thread don’t understand why this topic keeps appearing and I don’t understand the reasons why someone would want to play a character like that or have that as an option. SE has already made their stance clear and I’m not sure where or why people keep trying to find room to defend playing as minors or characters that look a heck of a lot like a minor.

[Ftail]

The reason this keeps thread keeps getting bumped is because I, like some of the people in this thread don’t understand why this topic keeps appearing and I don’t understand the reasons why someone would want to play a character like that or have that as an option.

I don't really see anyone arguing except the OP that actually wants playable children characters in the game. We're basically just arguing over the reason SE stated and some of us are pointing out the flaws in their logic while giving more logical reasons why SE would never do that. Some of you believe corporations at face value, while some of us are more cynical of corporations.

Like another thing to point out is if they didn't want people to play as children, why did they let us glamour as Ryne during the halloween event?

[MikkoAkure]

I don't really see anyone arguing except the OP that actually wants playable children characters in the game. We're basically just arguing over the reason SE stated and some of us are pointing out the flaws in their logic while giving more logical reasons why SE would never do that. Some of you believe corporations at face value, while some of us are more cynical of corporations.

Like another thing to point out is if they didn't want people to play as children, why did they let us glamour as Ryne during the halloween event?

I think wearing NPCs as costumes in a limited event is different from actually playing them permanently in actual gameplay and that sort of rolls in to what I said above.

At this point I feel like trying to make me or the other people who disagree with this thread understand the point-of-view of someone who is OK with playing a race like Padjal, or allow character creator to make yourself look as young as Ryne, is almost like trying to explain color to someone who is blind. People have strong opinions and this thread is not going to go anywhere and should just die at this point since there’s nothing to gain by it and SE has made their stance.

[Ftail]

At this point I feel like trying to make me or the other people who disagree with this thread understand the point-of-view of someone who is OK with playing a race like Padjal, or allow character creator to make yourself look as young as Ryne, is almost like trying to explain color to someone who is blind.

Most of us arguing aren't trying to make you change your minds on that because we agree with their decision.

But, we are trying to point out SE's hypocrisy on the statement they made and shed light on the real reason it'll never be implemented. They have limited resources, and it would never make them the most amount of profit. They can't even spare the resources for the new races. Their PR statement about it sounds a lot better then going, "Oh hey, yeah that will make us lose money, we only care about money, so we aren't going to do that."

Edit: This thread is pointless I'm going to let it die now.

[AngeliouxRein]

Sweet heavens @Ftail is one of the people who get it!. I came in this thread from the start stating, I don't care for child race but for another small one. I stated my background on why I like these types of characters and even how I really don't think PR has anything to do with it especially with all the entertainment in the world that uses kids or small folk all the time. Later on, I finally went into detail on why I would not care if a child or another race that is close to it got added into the game by pointing all the flaws with this community and what's in-game. I already said everything that was needed to be said. You can read every post and see how we got here. Me going in a full circle on this is not going to help.

There were interesting insights on how some would like to change things to smooth out those flaws. So that lovely PR statement from SE can actually be solid. And I appreciated those comments. I knew I would get some typical comments but it scares me more on how many are willing to ignore those flaws and then continue to state another one.

But don't' worry, I'm done. No more hills. I said what needed to be said and others chimed in to show that they also fully understood what I pointed out and where I was going.

[Melichoir]

In regards to lalafell, they’re in a sort of grey space already and it’s not going to be unusual for people to have inconsistent attitudes towards them. They look like kids and they also look different enough for it to be less iffy.

This is a self contradicting statement: They look like kids, but they dont look like kids. Which is it?

But I don’t see how someone thinking that punting lalas is funny and at the same time thinking that lalas in risqué circumstances is gross because they’re child-like invalidates their beliefs or arguments.

I asked the question a few pages back to what was more important: A character who acts and appears as an adult but is confirmed to be a minor, or a character who is more childish and has childish characteristics but is confirmed to be an adult. Ive seen both sides to this, as there are literally people who are more ok with a minor being in adult situations so long as that minor looks and behaves like an adult over an adult being in adult situations who behaves childishly or has a more childish stature.

This gets more complicated because its not about the jokes, its about the context. Most people arent gonna bat an eye at "punting potatoes" or "Lalafells are backup food source". Theyre jokes, and most people get this. Where you get people starting to be "Wait a moment" is when sexualization is applied. As I mentioned above, there is a disconnect in regards to sexualization. Some people have an issue with adult characters participating in adult activities if they appear child like, but do not have the same qualms when it is a minor as long as said minor appears to be an adult. Haurchefant flirting with you as a lalafell? Nope. Bad. Alisae flirting with you as a Elezen? A-Ok.

This gets more complicated because the same people who have the issue with lalafells or children sexualization seem to turn a blind eye to horror and violence done to children in this game. ShB has literally has Halric, who was in the MSQ more or less condemned to become an eldritch horror. And they didnt hide the ball on what that meant. No off screen thing happening or someone brushing it over with a vague explanation. We literally see what happens and how messed up it is, and that Halric is gonna end up the same. So in game kids are definitely being exposed to violence. This doesnt also include playing as Alphinaud and if you fail its implied theyre killed. It gets even more inconsistent if people see Lalafells as children and yet lalafells are killed or implied to be killed in this game for reals (read some of the monster descriptions as an example, or that syndicate guy who gets killed, or Nanamo's poisoning, etc etc) or if youre a lalafell WoL and how you can die on a regular basis.

Point is that there is a lot of hubbub over this that focuses on sexualization, but ignores blatant violence, which is kind of messed up when you consider it. Even with just dealing with sexuality, there are double standards and inconsistencies in the positions people are holding regarding that same sexualization. This includes the devs. If the devs or anyone wants to say it should be this way or that, fine. But at least be consistent in that position and apply it equally. If its an issue of "We dont want degeneracy with child like character" then quite a bit needs to be addressed. If its about age, then there should be no problem releasing a race or sex that has a more childish or diminutive build if its clearly stated that theyre adults and treated as such. Just be consistent about it.