Child-like characters?

[MonsutaMan]

It is not because of ethical reasons, it is because of resources & they do not feel like it.

Excenmille had his little gang of rugrats in FFXI. If you wanted, you could make any perverted emotes directed at them as you please. You could do it to the NPCs in this game. So, being a NPC or PC is irrelevant.

This is like the glamour topic; of how it would not be "FFXI like" to have jobs clothes and weapons to crossover, but the previous Final fantasy mmo allowed it "Face palm"

Excenmille was available as a trust. He took damage, grunted when hit, bleeds, & eats dirt like the rest of the players. People also ran by & made emotes at the kid. So I don't see the ethical issue here. If you don't have the resources, or just don't feel it is worth it, say so. Not these BS answers which contradict one another.



Would be cool to play as children, but it may not be worth the resources or time. I support it. This just seems like something out of their reach in terms of implementation imo.

[Nandrolone]

It is not because of ethical reasons, it is because of resources & they do not feel like it.

Excenmille had his little gang of rugrats in FFXI. If you wanted, you could make any perverted emotes directed at them as you please. You could do it to the NPCs in this game. So, being a NPC or PC is irrelevant.

This is like the glamour topic; of how it would not be "FFXI like" to have jobs clothes and weapons to crossover, but the previous Final fantasy mmo allowed it "Face palm"

Excenmille was available as a trust. He took damage, grunted when hit, bleeds, & eats dirt like the rest of the players. People also ran by & made emotes at the kid. So I don't see the ethical issue here. If you don't have the resources, or just don't feel it is worth it, say so. Not these BS answers which contradict one another.



Would be cool to play as children, but it may not be worth the resources or time. I support it. This just seems like something out of their reach in terms of implementation imo.

FFXI and FFXIV had entirely different people directing and working on the game though. For example, don’t count on a Yoshida game ever having something like that haha

[Alacran]

It is not because of ethical reasons, it is because of resources & they do not feel like it.

Excenmille had his little gang of rugrats in FFXI. If you wanted, you could make any perverted emotes directed at them as you please. You could do it to the NPCs in this game. So, being a NPC or PC is irrelevant.

This is like the glamour topic; of how it would not be "FFXI like" to have jobs clothes and weapons to crossover, but the previous Final fantasy mmo allowed it "Face palm"

Excenmille was available as a trust. He took damage, grunted when hit, bleeds, & eats dirt like the rest of the players. People also ran by & made emotes at the kid. So I don't see the ethical issue here. If you don't have the resources, or just don't feel it is worth it, say so. Not these BS answers which contradict one another.



Would be cool to play as children, but it may not be worth the resources or time. I support it. This just seems like something out of their reach in terms of implementation imo.

But you didn't control them, you just used the option to make "perverted emotes directed at them as you please"... Perhaps history has already proven enough times that this is a bad idea from the get go and enough degenerates cause enough of an issue to not bother with it.

FFXI was great game, but it never had the spot light that FFXIV has garnered. The brighter that light, the more the backlash would come from more disgusting Ryne "mods" cropping up. Besides "No means no."

One would think even those that thought to do such things (make lewd gestures to under aged characters) would at least try to understand the significance of the devs already addressing this.

[SturmChurro]

Excenmille had his little gang of rugrats in FFXI. If you wanted, you could make any perverted emotes directed at them as you please.

[Theodric]

Final Fantasy XI came out over a decade ago, back when such things weren't regulated as well as they are at present. Furthermore, the presence of child NPC's is not the issue. It's the presence of playable children. The development team can strictly control what NPC's do and are exposed to. They cannot do that for player characters.

It's a little creepy that people keep ignoring that distinction in their efforts to paint the development team as 'lying' when they're quite clearly presenting a valid stance. It doesn't - or rather it shouldn't - take a genius to work out that there's a great many things present in the MSQ's and over-world that are inappropriate for a child character to be exposed to.

[MrKusakabe]

Final Fantasy XI came out over a decade ago, back when such things weren't regulated as well as they are at present.

Which is ridiculous if you think about it. "It" had happened back then too, it's not like it started with games like that. Back then, the U.S.A. worried about pixelated video games and it could encourage kids to become violent and said plastic toy light guns are for target shooting but were fine with young characters. Now they young characters (and body features like...oh no, breasts!!) are taboos but you can watch bodycam footage of a cop shootout with people leaking 6 litres of blood onto the floor...

[Melichoir]

Which is ridiculous if you think about it. "It" had happened back then too, it's not like it started with games like that. Back then, the U.S.A. worried about pixelated video games and it could encourage kids to become violent and said plastic toy light guns are for target shooting but were fine with young characters. Now they young characters (and body features like...oh no, breasts!!) are taboos but you can watch bodycam footage of a cop shootout with people leaking 6 litres of blood onto the floor...

God bless America and its wacky tone def moralizing.

But in any case, even if you could emote at Excenmille, its not the same as being able to manipulate them. What I mean is I can create a degenerate emote and spam that at Khloe Aliapoh all day long, but that is not the same as if I could play as Khloe and run around emoting at other players and participating in ERP. In one light Im being a degenerate by emoting at a child, and in another Im being a degenerate by roleplaying as a child doing adult things. Those are two fundamentally different things at their core.

It's a little creepy that people keep ignoring that distinction in their efforts to paint the development team as 'lying' when they're quite clearly presenting a valid stance. It doesn't - or rather it shouldn't - take a genius to work out that there's a great many things present in the MSQ's and over-world that are inappropriate for a child character to be exposed to.

The stance is not as solid when you break down the arguments for the stance. Im not advocating either way but the issue crops up when it comes down to appearance. The argument is kinda "We dont want to have players be able to play as children cause degeneracy" and not that "We dont want children characters in adult situations". But both these stances have issues. In the former, the loop hole becomes (as the game clearly then acts upon) "It's not a child character even if they might be percieved as one because the stated age is older." aka the lalafell issue. The latter doesnt work either cause you have children face and be a part of danger consistently within the game. Hell you can play as Alphinaud and lose an instanced fight - the implication is you getting killed in the end. In either case, the argument put forth isnt all that solid and theyre not being exact. If you want to address the latter example, you have to remove characters like Alphinaud and Alisae. If you want to address the former, you have to remove/update any character that can be seen as a child analogue - namely Lalafells, Miqote, and Aura. Otherwise, you have them applyign their reasoning incosistently or applying a loophole to their position. Which I think is the case - As long as the characters stated age is 18+, their appearance is irrelevant. It's the only way that they can justify a lot of things in game.

[Alacran]

If you want to address the latter example, you have to remove characters like Alphinaud and Alisae. If you want to address the former, you have to remove/update any character that can be seen as a child analogue - namely Lalafells, Miqote, and Aura. Otherwise, you have them applyign their reasoning incosistently or applying a loophole to their position. Which I think is the case - As long as the characters stated age is 18+, their appearance is irrelevant. It's the only way that they can justify a lot of things in game.

I am actually for the ageing up of the younger characters through the MSQ.

They were introduced via the story line, but time has past and event have unfolded. The idea of them maturing physically would only be natural, my own character has already had a five year skip in the MSQ due to being a 1.0 WoL, surly comrades of then have changed in a number of ways. Should a possible, other time skip happen (or time shenanigans become a thing), it would stand to reason these characters would get older.

That would be awesome, circumventing this entire issue would be an epic move. Great idea!

[YellowCrystarium]

There is a vast majority I've noticed that are simply sick minded and will say anything to justify their desires in order to have what they want. This applies to the control of child characters.

[Nandrolone]

For anyone interested in this type of stuff, don’t they have children playable characters on black desert online? I don’t say this to be rude, I just think FFXIV isn’t really the game for you because that type of stuff will 100% never be added to this game. At least not while Yoshida is still the director. I mean hey, you do you, but you won’t get what you’re looking for here.