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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    So, PS4 player here without a friend who feeds me information on my parsing. When I'm playing poorly, I know it. You do not need a parser to tell you that. You just know it.
    Surprisingly more untrue than you'd think.

    This is something I learned back in SB when I got curious and checked fflogs for the first time to see if anyone had uploaded any of the EX runs I'd been pugging, so I could actually see my performance. Up to that point I'd always thought I'd been doing sufficiently well. I got most of my rotation right and sure I had to move away from the boss for mechanics but doesn't everyone? I geared correctly, looked up rotations online, beaten SSS and was fairly sure I was at least doing decently.

    How was I really doing? Terribly. Grey parses. It was a bit of a shock, what was I doing wrong? It turns out that without any way to gauge performance over the last year or two, I'd become lenient. I wasn't pushing myself. Dodging mechanics while doing a great rotation at the same time seemed really hard so I assumed most players didn't get that perfect. I had no one to compare to, no standard to set for myself. All I had was assumptions, not solid facts and stats.

    It was only after that, that I really started looking at how to raise my gameplay. I learned how vital uptime is, how to maximize it. I pushed my rotations until they became muscle memory. And in the end, while I'm not an incredible player, I improved significantly. And it even made me enjoy the game that much more, because I had goals to strive for and room to learn and improve.

    But you just can't gauge performance accurately over a feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    no standard to set for myself
    Well, there is a standard: beat the fight before enrage with minimal deaths for a clear or no death for a farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Surprisingly more untrue than you'd think.

    This is something I learned back in SB when I got curious and checked fflogs for the first time to see if anyone had uploaded any of the EX runs I'd been pugging, so I could actually see my performance. Up to that point I'd always thought I'd been doing sufficiently well. I got most of my rotation right and sure I had to move away from the boss for mechanics but doesn't everyone? I geared correctly, looked up rotations online, beaten SSS and was fairly sure I was at least doing decently.

    How was I really doing? Terribly. Grey parses. It was a bit of a shock, what was I doing wrong? It turns out that without any way to gauge performance over the last year or two, I'd become lenient. I wasn't pushing myself. Dodging mechanics while doing a great rotation at the same time seemed really hard so I assumed most players didn't get that perfect. I had no one to compare to, no standard to set for myself. All I had was assumptions, not solid facts and stats.

    It was only after that, that I really started looking at how to raise my gameplay. I learned how vital uptime is, how to maximize it. I pushed my rotations until they became muscle memory. And in the end, while I'm not an incredible player, I improved significantly. And it even made me enjoy the game that much more, because I had goals to strive for and room to learn and improve.

    But you just can't gauge performance accurately over a feeling.
    This may be your experience, but it is not everyone's, and certainly not my own. On every job I play competitively, I research the optimal DPS rotation. I then master that rotation. When I'm doing a fight, I know when I'm doing that rotation well or poorly, ergo that feeling can inform if I'm doing good or bad.

    Really easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    This may be your experience, but it is not everyone's, and certainly not my own. On every job I play competitively, I research the optimal DPS rotation. I then master that rotation. When I'm doing a fight, I know when I'm doing that rotation well or poorly, ergo that feeling can inform if I'm doing good or bad.

    Really easy.
    Quick question then - how well do you think you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hash_Browns View Post
    Quick question then - how well do you think you do?
    The answer has no relevance to the discussion at hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    The answer has no relevance to the discussion at hand.
    It is relevant to the discussion, as you have said you are easily able to tell how well or poor you do.. and you have brought that to the table as one of your arguments, for whatever reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    This may be your experience, but it is not everyone's, and certainly not my own. On every job I play competitively, I research the optimal DPS rotation. I then master that rotation. When I'm doing a fight, I know when I'm doing that rotation well or poorly, ergo that feeling can inform if I'm doing good or bad.

    Really easy.
    Honestly, you're probably not doing as well as you think you are. When you upload parses you either do better or worse than you think, it's pretty rare to guess close to the right percentage. Heck I've had fights where I felt like I did everything perfectly and ended up with a 66, and fights where I just felt like I was plodding along, going through the motions and trying to improvise but not really thinking I did notably well and end up with a 97 or 98.

    You can know your rotation inside and out and think that since you did it perfectly you got a high parse, but that's not always the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    Honestly, you're probably not doing as well as you think you are. When you upload parses you either do better or worse than you think, it's pretty rare to guess close to the right percentage. Heck I've had fights where I felt like I did everything perfectly and ended up with a 66, and fights where I just felt like I was plodding along, going through the motions and trying to improvise but not really thinking I did notably well and end up with a 97 or 98.

    You can know your rotation inside and out and think that since you did it perfectly you got a high parse, but that's not always the case.
    if you're doing 97 dps right now you are not pressing your buttons
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