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Because, unfortunately, a certain group of people has used the expression to justify their boneheadedness often enough that it's become associated with the group.

Yeah, I'm just not convinced that it's an association rather than an assumption. Why? Because too much of the 'logic' on the part of elitists in this thread alone bespeaks binary thinking: you're either hardcore and serious about gitting gud enough for raiding, or you're one of those fun-loving casuals without so much as a scintilla of competence. Which brings me to...

Edit: In fact its funny you assume all these things about where I stand but I simply say, if you dont want to put the effort forward dont involve yourself within EX and Savage runs. In the end if you can't put two brain cells together for the run you've joined then you're part of the problem, if you treat people like shit for needing to improve you're part of the problem. I dont care if people are casual, but pull your weight within this optional content. Dont get mad if people kick you for not doing so, dont act like people are being elitist. Just realize if people are kicking you and you can't clear, its a you problem no one else and people dont have to deal with it.

I'm not making an assumption about where you stand. What I, and a number of other casuals do say is that a) we're not good enough to tackle Savage and Ex content, and b) are not willing to expend the time and effort on getting good enough to do so. Your clear implicature was that players such as us "can't put two braincells together," and that it's our fault that the rest of the content in the game has been dumbed down to suit. So it is you, as it turns out, who is making an unwarranted and uncharitable assumption here; it be like me assuming that all raiders are no-lifers suffering from monomania—but I don't, because I don't need to reduce groups to stereotypes in order to construct an argument.

As for negativity being aimed at controller players: I haven't seen a lot in FFXIV either, other than the odd taunting remark over FC chat that was meant in jest in any case. However, I inserted that aside because PC Master Race types (another brand of elitist) really do 'bomb' on controller/console players. Ever seen the Mackscorner/Worth a Buy channel? He's a moderately popular YouTuber who regularly attributes the decline of this or that franchise to 'consolisation,' blames simplistic combat on the developers having 'run out of buttons,' (apparently he's never heard of FFXIV), and implies that if a game has been streamlined or dumbed down then it is due to catering to a console audience (who, by way of implication are, you know, dumb). On that last point in particular, you maybe able to infer why I included that aside.

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I'm not making an assumption about where you stand. What I, and a number of other casuals do say is that a) we're not good enough to tackle Savage and Ex content, and b) are not willing to expend the time and effort on getting good enough to do so. Your clear implicature was that players such as us "can't put two braincells together," and that it's our fault that the rest of the content in the game has been dumbed down to suit. So it is you, as it turns out, who is making an unwarranted and uncharitable assumption here; it be like me assuming that all raiders are no-lifers suffering from monomania—but I don't, because I don't need to reduce groups to stereotypes in order to construct an argument.

You literally are missing the point.

If YOU are the casual who doesnt so Savage/Ex Then my statement Does NOT pertain to you. I'm specifically talking about the people who GO into Savage/EX Runs and DO NOT want to improve and then complain about being kicked, not clearing, and Content being too hard. And trust me when I say there are plenty of people who go into BOTH these forms of optional content and need to learn how to take criticism and improve.

I think the people who simply enjoy the game are fine, I'm happy we have such a diverse playerbase, I'm happy there are people who find so much fun outside raiding and that FF offers them so much. But when there are people who think its ok to not realize that the optional content requires some form of optimization. Its not Elitist to ask people to be able to perform the bare minimum or to be willing to take help, but instead the minute you ask they get shitty. So while its not *every* casual players fault, there are people who think its ok to complain about hard content but not learn what you're doing wrong.

So again IF YOU are not the type of person in question, THEN this does not pertain to you.

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You literally are missing the point.

If YOU are the casual who doesnt so Savage/Ex Then my statement Does NOT pertain to you. I'm specifically talking about the people who GO into Savage/EX Runs and DO NOT want to improve and then complain about being kicked, not clearing, and Content being too hard. And trust me when I say there are plenty of people who go into BOTH these forms of optional content and need to learn how to take criticism and improve.

I think the people who simply enjoy the game are fine, I'm happy we have such a diverse playerbase, I'm happy there are people who find so much fun outside raiding and that FF offers them so much. But when there are people who think its ok to not realize that the optional content requires some form of optimization. Its not Elitist to ask people to be able to perform the bare minimum or to be willing to take help, but instead the minute you ask they get shitty. So while its not *every* casual players fault, there are people who think its ok to complain about hard content but not learn what you're doing wrong.

So again IF YOU are not the type of person in question, THEN this does not pertain to you.

Do you understand how implication works? I already granted that players who want to tackle Ex and Savage content need to be up to snuff so that they're not jeopardizing clears/unnecessarily burdening those players who have put in the work to attain the requisite level of competence. I know that as a casual player who is not demanding to be carried through Savage/Ex that your statements pertaining to this issue specifically do not apply to myself or other casuals who are not making this demand. That much is obvious.

However, when you are saying that the people who can't do Savage have had the rest of the game "dumbed down" due to their inability to "put to braincells together" then you are, by way of implication (A = people who can't do Savage can't put two braincells together, B = I can't do Savage, therefore A = B) very much impugning my intelligence, and the intelligence of everyone else who can't do Savage. You may not have meant to make that implication—and I'll acknowledge that as fact if that is indeed the case—but you made it all the same.