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    Siete Siebenheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Sorry to break it to you but if your hardware is not up to the task you shouldn't really go into that kind of content either. You don't need a high-end setup but if you regulary deal with lags to the point that it gets you killed, going into endgame content isn't a good idea. Escpecially not via PF. If you static is okay with you regularily failing mechanics and dealing less dps because of lags, that's their choice.
    There are enough mechanics out there that get others killed or even wipe the whole raid if you mess them up for whatever reason, wether its lag or brainlag doesn't matter. Dead is dead.
    I skipped almost a whole expansion of raids in WoW because my hardware was so outdated I had lags in every single raid after the Legion update. Of course I didn't like it but that's the way it was and I would've been a liability in a raid.
    Lag? Hardware?
    Lag has nothing to do with hardware, it amazes me most the ammount of likes you have showing how misinformed people are.
    Here I am, Ryzen 5 3600 + 5700 XT and I have lag.
    Why? Because I live in Argentina, Buenos Aires. I have the best internet provider with Fiber Optic and I still have a ping of over 300ms. Nothing will fix that.
    What are you going to do? Kick me out from playing and enjoying the game just because I won't function as you decided I will? I can still do mechanics my own way, I have to dodge stuff 2 seconds into the future but somehow I manage after training.
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    Mikayla Rainstone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siete View Post
    Lag? Hardware?
    Lag has nothing to do with hardware, it amazes me most the ammount of likes you have showing how misinformed people are.
    There's more causes for lag than just the network, though that's often the worst offender. Some input devices have lag (particularly wireless ones, though there's good wireless devices too). A poor GPU can cause lag since it takes longer to render frames and you see the results of events from the server later (20 fps can add about 33 ms of lag compared to 60 fps). If you run the game from a HDD instead of an SSD, loading new assets may cause lag spikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siete View Post
    Why? Because I live in Argentina, Buenos Aires. I have the best internet provider with Fiber Optic and I still have a ping of over 300ms. Nothing will fix that.
    What are you going to do? Kick me out from playing and enjoying the game just because I won't function as you decided I will? I can still do mechanics my own way, I have to dodge stuff 2 seconds into the future but somehow I manage after training.
    Can you keep up your DPS and meet the requirement for the fight despite having to future-dodge stuff? If you can, then it's fine and I don't have any complaints.
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siete View Post
    Lag? Hardware?
    Lag has nothing to do with hardware, it amazes me most the ammount of likes you have showing how misinformed people are.
    Here I am, Ryzen 5 3600 + 5700 XT and I have lag.
    Why? Because I live in Argentina, Buenos Aires. I have the best internet provider with Fiber Optic and I still have a ping of over 300ms. Nothing will fix that.
    What are you going to do? Kick me out from playing and enjoying the game just because I won't function as you decided I will? I can still do mechanics my own way, I have to dodge stuff 2 seconds into the future but somehow I manage after training.
    Woah, chill...
    One might think I just insulted your whole bloodline, sheesh.

    True to an extend, though "lags" as an excuse gets thrown around so casually whenever something goes wrong and even for issues that have nothing to do with connection. And just for the record, poor hardware can, at the very least, contribute to lags or cause freezes. Different issue but the result is the same for the player: they see and react to mechanics later than others - usually too late.

    Whatever it is that keeps you from performing decently doesn't matter. Wether it's lags, hardware, hamster on your keyboard, finger in your nose... it doesn't matter. If you are, for whatever reason, not able to perform decently enough for the content you're tackling, you shouldn't go in there. Knowing about issues and still going into raids without informing others of the issues and asking if they're cool with it is asshole behaviour.
    If you can play the mechanics correctly with lags, good on you and welcome to the team. Care to remind me where exactly I said that you can't join even if you CAN play every mechanic correctly?
    But if you can't play decently then your fun and enjoying the game isn't more important than that of 7 other people. And I'd like to see you convince me otherwise.

    And I love how you try to twist it around so it makes me look like an egoistic elitist who would exclude you out of pure spite when it's a simple fact that many boss mechanics require precise positioning and timing and messing them up doesn't just kill you but probably the rest of the raid aswell.
    This isn't about what I think you should do. This is about the content requiring a certain reaction time and gameplay to successfully complete. And "B-b-buut... my pc/ connection is bad! I can't help it Q.Q" isn't going to change that. The boss doesn't care about why someone couldn't make it in time. The result for the raid remains the same. If it's not a recurring thing, no worries.
    But I had plenty of people in my parties who only cared to mention that they're playing on a potatoe pc after several wipes they caused by not being able to move their butt in time. THIS is egoistic. Not expecting decent hardware/ connection OR the ability to deal with it accordingly and decent gameplay.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 01-02-2020 at 12:05 AM.