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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    A group of mean people constantly scrutinizing each other with some software program, and shitting on the ones who doesn't reach a given productivity threeshold which keep getting higher and higher, definitely looks like one of my past irl jobs though XD

    Some rotations guide i did see also awfully looks like some automated factory production cycle, aiming at the best productivity threeshold as well.

    When you are dealing with this kind of things at work all day, and even see some people becoming burn out by it, you just sometimes dont want to see more of it at home, when you are launching a game to relax yourself.
    You do realize people who care about optimization don't behave remotely as you've laid out, yes? At least not the vast majority. You're arguing in extremes.

    Expecting people to understand a basic opener, AoE large pulls and deal respectable damage in higher end content is not "constantly scrutinizing". It's expecting a reasonable degree of competency. A lot of people throwing around the "I just wanna relax" type arguments use it as an excuse to essentially do the barest of minimums. I'm sorry, but a Samurai or Black Mage pulling 8,000 in E1S isn't "relaxing," they're downright griefing. If it's in a learning party, okay. They're hopefully going to improve once they learn mechanics but you'll see this in weekly clears. That's when it isn't okay. You've now forced everyone else to compensate for your unwillingness to give a damn, thus making it less fun for them all because you don't care. So... why should they care about you?

    When it comes to dungeons, people really don't care. I'm not going to say much of anything because dungeons are brain dead. That being said, I do think you're being selfish if you can't be bothered to AoE, or deal any damage as a healer.
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    Mikayla Rainstone
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    Lich
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    3. We have to keep in mind the expected participation limits when adding this content. Are we expecting to sacrifice potentially 95% of the player base enjoying another piece of casual content for 5%? Is that a wise decision for a company that's already showing strains of development time and manpower to make?
    You might be overestimating the tradeoff here. Savage/extreme content is based on normal content. They have to come up with new choreography for the fight and balance it, but that's about it. For another piece of casual content they'd have to make a new playfield, new boss model, potentially new minor enemy models, animate it, and come up with a story for it. I'd wager that for a single new trial you get an entire expansion's worth of savage raids and extreme trials. A single new alliance raid is probably more work than all savage and extreme content so far put together.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    They're hopefully going to improve once they learn mechanics but you'll see this in weekly clears. That's when it isn't okay. You've now forced everyone else to compensate for your unwillingness to give a damn, thus making it less fun for them all because you don't care. So... why should they care about you?
    This. Your right to have fun does not come at the expense of the seven other people in the group. If your inability to do the fight properly is holding up the entire group and you're not willing to improve, you should stick to easier content where you can be carried.
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