Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Angus-Beef]

I have no interest in improving my performance, I play this game for fun. The only time I do an EX trial or Savage is simply for the clear. Those of you who treat it all like a job need to seriously examine your priorities and lighten up a bit. In the end, it's a game. Expecting players to be banned from using the Duty Finder because you don't want to end up with a casual player, well, that's how you roll on the dice. You never know what you're going to get and that is the way it is. It's the serious raiders and parsers who should be making their own party in PF if they want to be elitist and keep people out.

Some people, don't want to know every little detail of the fights. Hell, I've done fights and dungeons multiple times and my short term memory pretty much wipes once I've done it.

See this mentality is why we have issues like this in the first place.

If you have fun that way fine, but don't see it as wrong for others to not want to deal with someone who's brain dead in df every roulette.

[LaylaTsarra]

See this mentality is why we have issues like this in the first place.

If you have fun that way fine, but don't see it as wrong for others to not want to deal with someone who's brain dead in df every roulette.

I rarely run into braindead people in roulettes that I do and I do a ton of them with the many alts that I have. People running with parsers open all the time need to understand that there is a large segment of the community who could give a hoot about them and yes they play this game for fun.

I can certainly understand the need for them in Savage and even to an extent for extreme primals but they certainly aren't needed for casual play and the braindead meme on this forum gets pretty old.

[Hash_Browns]

I rarely run into braindead people in roulettes that I do and I do a ton of them with the many alts that I have. People running with parsers open all the time need to understand that there is a large segment of the community who could give a hoot about them and yes they play this game for fun.

I can certainly understand the need for them in Savage and even to an extent for extreme primals but they certainly aren't needed for casual play and the braindead meme on this forum gets pretty old.

Ahh, I see we're going this route.

[purgatori]

Ahh, I see we're going this route.

And how is using parsers to optimise your output for the top-tier play analogous to the analogy contained in your meme, which relates to knowing the basic rules of the game? You can know the rules of chess without knowing all the grandmaster strategies. Don't conflate the two just because you like dunking on filthy casuals.

[Hash_Browns]

And how is using parsers to optimise your output for the top-tier play analogous to the analogy contained in your meme, which relates to knowing the basic rules of the game? You can know the rules of chess without knowing all the grandmaster strategies. Don't conflate the two just because you like dunking on filthy casuals.

Their is quite the difference between "knowing the basics" and "not knowing a damn thing, and facerolling your keyboard, or not using half your kit."

The best example I can give is healers. You could post a thread about healing, and a good chunk of these forums would tell you that healers shouldn't/don't have to DPS, to play your own way, don't worry about DPSing at all - some would say that even for savage content.

I'm no where near a top-tier player, but it's things like that which ultimately end up pissing me off because a good chunk of the players are being fed this bullsh*t stupid "just play your way" thing. It's really not how the game works. You don't have to be a "elite toxic raider" to deal decent damage - you just need to read your tooltips, which is something a lot of people don't seems to be able to do. Hell, I'm not even parsing other players - but it's clear to me when someone is not playing their class correctly (mostly healers) and is basically griefing the party because "I'll play the way I want" or "you don't pay my sub".

The issues at hand aren't that the raiding player-base are expecting casual players to get in their level, it's that the playerbase that knows even the basics want people playing the level 80s in the DF to actually KNOW THE BASICS.

Just look at one of the posts above.

I have no interest in improving my performance, I play this game for fun.

This is exactly why people get pissed off.
This is why we have Ice Mages, and non-dpsing healers.

These aren't elite raiding tactics, these are the basics, and that mentality has no place in a multiplayer game.

[purgatori]

Their is quite the difference between "knowing the basics" and "not knowing a damn thing, and facerolling your keyboard, or not using half your kit."

The best example I can give is healers. You could post a thread about healing, and a good chunk of these forums would tell you that healers shouldn't/don't have to DPS, to play your own way, don't worry about DPSing at all - some would say that even for savage content.

I'm no where near a top-tier player, but it's things like that which ultimately end up pissing me off because a good chunk of the players are being fed this bullsh*t stupid "just play your way" thing. It's really not how the game works. You don't have to be a "elite toxic raider" to deal decent damage - you just need to read your tooltips, which is something a lot of people don't seems to be able to do. Hell, I'm not even parsing other players - but it's clear to me when someone is not playing their class correctly (mostly healers) and is basically griefing the party because "I'll play the way I want" or "you don't pay my sub".

The issues at hand aren't that the raiding player-base are expecting casual players to get in their level, it's that the playerbase that knows even the basics want people playing the level 80s in the DF to actually KNOW THE BASICS.

Just look at one of the posts above.



This is exactly why people get pissed off.
This is why we have Ice Mages, and non-dpsing healers.

These aren't elite raiding tactics, these are the basics, and that mentality has no place in a multiplayer game.

Which was exactly my point. There are many of us casuals who do know the basics, actively seek to improve, and yet aren't aiming to master the skills required for top-tier content. We play the game for fun, and have no interest in what a parser says about us, but we're not so daft that we neglect all but 3–4 of our skills or fail to output any kind of DPS while on healer. This is the sort of player that LaylaTsarra was describing, and yet you used the meme you did, implying that we don't even know what game we're playing.

[Hash_Browns]

Which was exactly my point. There are many of us casuals who do know the basics, actively seek to improve, and yet aren't aiming to master the skills required for top-tier content. We play the game for fun, and have no interest in what a parser says about us, but we're not so daft that we neglect all but 3–4 of our skills or fail to output any kind of DPS while on healer. This is the sort of player that LaylaTsarra was describing, and yet you used the meme you did, implying that we don't even know what game we're playing.

You're arguing thinking this is aimed at you then.

actively seek to improve,

=/=

I have no interest in improving my performance,

[Miracle_Diva]

And how is using parsers to optimise your output for the top-tier play analogous to the analogy contained in your meme, which relates to knowing the basic rules of the game? You can know the rules of chess without knowing all the grandmaster strategies. Don't conflate the two just because you like dunking on filthy casuals.

One thing is not to know all the *grandmaster strategies*.
Another thing is to play tic-tac-toe while others play chess.
Casuals are not so rainbow and butterflies themselves too. While it's ok not to be a *top tier* player, it's not ok to go into high end content and expect being carried because you're lazy since you've decided to play your own game.

[DynnDiablos]

See this mentality is why we have issues like this in the first place.

If you have fun that way fine, but don't see it as wrong for others to not want to deal with someone who's brain dead in df every roulette.

Not sure how me playing for fun equals I am braid dead. I know basics dude, I can pull my weight. I am just not going to take this super seriously. It is a game after all. Also, I am not wiping parties or dying over and over either. Most of the mechanics of fights, especially in Dungeons are easy to maneuver.

[tdb]

Not sure how me playing for fun equals I am braid dead. I know basics dude, I can pull my weight. I am just not going to take this super seriously. It is a game after all. Also, I am not wiping parties or dying over and over either. Most of the mechanics of fights, especially in Dungeons are easy to maneuver.

Most people expect to hear "not taking it seriously" and "just having fun" from the sort of player who uses single target skills on mass pulls, or don't DPS as healer, or have no idea what tank stance means, or can't be bothered to step out of AoEs. If you actually can pull your weight in savages (meaning you meet the DPS requirement for clearing the fight and can use your cooldowns and healing abilities as appropriate for your role), you're already in the top 5% of this game's players, maybe higher. Beating the fight might not be a big deal of you, but that level of play requires some dedication for gearing yourself up, as well as focusing on the fight and putting some thought into your rotation. From the perspective of the "brain dead" category that is taking it seriously.

Edit: I should also note that "having fun" means different things for different people. For me fun is overcoming challenges, improving myself, and being useful to others. Making mistakes feels bad, so I naturally try to avoid them. For the lower end of casual players fun might be getting cheap laughs from whatever, so when confronted for their mistakes they use "having fun" as an excuse. It's not wrong to have fun, but it's prudent to be aware of what kind of impression the phrase gives to others on video game forums.