Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Teros]

I would love to have a setting in party finder that you can only join a high end party if you can cleared SSS in x time, or allow folks to join that parse blue and above.

These last few days PF has been garbage with parties barely able to pass content, dps and mechanically. Just because you were carried to your first clear does not mean I have to waste time trying to continue to carry you. Your grey/green parses do nothing but lower my game experience, how is that fair to me when I just want to farm stuff. why do we need to carter to lowest common denominator. if they want to play casually and grey/green, great, form a party just like everyone else. Parse is a tool, and while not the end all be all factor, it does assist in gauging someones potential.

[MitsukiKimura]

I would love to have a setting in party finder that you can only join a high end party if you can cleared SSS in x time, or allow folks to join that parse blue and above.

These last few days PF has been garbage with parties barely able to pass content, dps and mechanically. Just because you were carried to your first clear does not mean I have to waste time trying to continue to carry you. Your grey/green parses do nothing but lower my game experience, how is that fair to me when I just want to farm stuff. why do we need to carter to lowest common denominator. if they want to play casually and grey/green, great, form a party just like everyone else. Parse is a tool, and while not the end all be all factor, it does assist in gauging someones potential.

People who want to use a third party parse tool to be toxic with it end up on my blacklist. Those kind of people are what's bad for this community. Nothing wrong with using it to improve yourself but if you're going to degrade others with it, then you need a reality check.

[Teros]

People who want to use a third party parse tool to be toxic with it end up on my blacklist. Those kind of people are what's bad for this community. Nothing wrong with using it to improve yourself but if you're going to degrade others with it, then you need a reality check.

add me to that list if you like , I have never bashed anyone for their parse, In fact I join a good deal of clear parties to see if I can help. All raiders started out in the grey area, some learned to get better on their own (typically the toxic ones), others found someone to teach them. I myself was very casual in HW until a FC mate took me under his wing and guided through SB.

all that I am claiming here is that if you want to play with a certain level of player that should be allowed in PF. I love the casuals on here that just respond with "just go make your party tryhard" when you cannot in game. I have put in PF a description of parse party and end up getting tells from a bunch of people on their soap boxes about the tos. I have even put up PFs in the past asking for grey and greens that want to learn how to be better and still get the same bunch of people about tos. Heck if you think about it, if you could gate your PF, toxicity would probably go down because you would know exactly what you are getting before you join that party.

the attack on raiders by "casuals" is also a major factor in why populations spikes for new content. They come back do the raid tier, 3 months later they are out because PF sucks most of the time and they get frustrated for the reasons I already mentioned.

[Halivel]

add me to that list if you like , I have never bashed anyone for their parse, In fact I join a good deal of clear parties to see if I can help. All raiders started out in the grey area, some learned to get better on their own (typically the toxic ones), others found someone to teach them. I myself was very casual in HW until a FC mate took me under his wing and guided through SB.

all that I am claiming here is that if you want to play with a certain level of player that should be allowed in PF. I love the casuals on here that just respond with "just go make your party tryhard" when you cannot in game. I have put in PF a description of parse party and end up getting tells from a bunch of people on their soap boxes about the tos. I have even put up PFs in the past asking for grey and greens that want to learn how to be better and still get the same bunch of people about tos. Heck if you think about it, if you could gate your PF, toxicity would probably go down because you would know exactly what you are getting before you join that party.

the attack on raiders by "casuals" is also a major factor in why populations spikes for new content. They come back do the raid tier, 3 months later they are out because PF sucks most of the time and they get frustrated for the reasons I already mentioned.

Just set the higher iLvL? It's not the best solution (and doesn't work in early prog on top of that, but 1st weeks are it's own topic), but at least it exists right now, and there is almost 0% rate that they will ever let set filters other than "Completed" and "Minimum iLvL" for a variety of reasons. And considering that as PF holder you can set min ilvl higher than your own... more settings will still not save you from having tricky players who want to have good geared experienced party even if they are themselvefs are not that good. And as reasult this still will be a carrying, probably.

If you are a PF owner, setting let's say 465+ ilvl will most likely save you from having people you need to literally carry (except those with full Shadow set maybe, but I barely see people in full 470 tomestones set tbh). Aside this - if you don't like how the run goes, just leave it. Yes, it's annoying, but there is not much you can do about this.

[Teros]

Just set the higher iLvL? It's not the best solution, but at least it exists right now, and there is almost 0% rate that they will ever let set filters other than "Completed" and "Minimum iLvL" for a variety of reasons. And considering that as PF holder you can set min ilvl higher than your own... more settings will still not save you from having tricky players who want to have good geared experienced party even if they are themselvefs are not that good. And as reasult this still will be a carrying, probably.

If you are a PF owner, setting let's say 465+ ilvl will most likely save you from having people you need to literally carry (except those with full Shadow set maybe, but I barely see people in full 470 tomestones set tbh). Aside this - if you don't like how the run goes, just leave it. Yes, it's annoying, but there is not much you can do about this.

yeah I know, I set my serious runs for 470 most of the time, and disband after the usual 3 wipes, it is just annoying to do that because it can take so long to fill up a party and within 10 mins it is disbanded. I know a few 470's that can barely do the mechanics (they had friends that were bored and geared them up), and 460's that would excel. my argument is that you should be allowed to put in the description exactly what you are looking for, and kick bad players out without the need to disband the entire party because there is a fear of being banned. It hurts no one's game play to have a tier system, or simply allow people to put in the description what they really want. The current system hurts those that want to improve, while making it easier on those only doing it for "fun". I have seen plenty of fun runs, why are those allowed but the opposite is not.

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mentioning parse in game will get you banned for violation of the tos, but I can go gank all the A/S ranks all I want and square is okay with that.

[Halivel]

my argument is that you should be allowed to put in the description exactly what you are looking for, and kick bad players out without the need to disband the entire party because there is a fear of being banned.

Well if we are speaking about just word description that people see in PF window - you can write there almost everything except parsers. People jumping at you for "know strat have enrage exp" (example) can jump as much as they want, you just ignore them or report if they start to insult you and go overboard (though tbh I never even had this... but I'm not on NA).
Also, having more specific filters in PF, if we speak about filters like completed/ilvl, actually can harm people. Specifically those who just want to start to learn or want to improve but simply can't join any PF because people would set high requirements. They can start their own ofc, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a very high risk of abusing the system with more specific flags.

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mentioning parse in game will get you banned for violation of the tos, but I can go gank all the A/S ranks all I want and square is okay with that.

You can gank all the A/S ranks because it never was designed to be server-party content. It always was "1st found, 1st killed" and Yoshida actually did say this himself, though I don't think I could find that QA now since it was a while ago. So while people tend to create hunt linkshells to cooperate, the system itself totally accepts you doing whatever you want to hunt you discovered. People asked about changing it for a long time, so maybe they will look into this, but the way it is now hunts aren't something you need to tell everyone about - it's up to you what to do with discovered mob.

wish I could get a clip of it (I would love to confirm), the friends I know that watched the stream have said the the "victim" was very closed off to constructive suggestions and became toxic in game, while the streamer vented about it only on twitch, but somehow that was against the tos and he was suspended.

The main reason streamer got his ban is because he showed the name, which led to witch hunting (if I do remember everything correct). Victim isn't the best person you could meet, but the ban was deserved. It also isn't the first time they ban streamers, it's just first time it happened to non-JP player.