Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Moonlite]

The solution would have been to not allow in the BLM in the party in the first place. If people want no drama they'll just look at your logs when you join their group. If you don't meet their standards you'll be promptly removed for someone better. This will most likely be done without anyone saying anything, as no one wants to risk getting hammered by a GM.

This way there's no drama, no chance of ban as there's nothing to trace. Sad it has to be this way.

Just want you to take a second and think of what you said. Now think you are SE. Lets see if we can agree on a few things before going on. SE has tried to set the bar low, they want the game to be inclusive as possible, and they allow tools with a don't ask don't tell policy. Now imagine the very casual players SE tries to help by making the game easier in the first two points. Those players are being excluded heavily by a tool that is a don't ask don't tell. It might not even be that they are being excluded based on that alone, but the perception by a certain percentage of the players. Still following hopefully. Do you think SE would have to take some sort of action to continuing protect the much larger casual player base over the much smaller and using non sanctioned tools high end progression group.





I have come to the wish about meters and similar tools. Make the third party tools illegal and the sites that post numbers from them take them down. Have what they deem high end progression exclude any random party making. And give those people a dps meter and a finished number that they can screen shot. Once they deem those instances no longer high end with ilvl increase remove the meter. They have meters, they have recorded stats in pvp, and they seem to be able to hide meters. Included it with patches. They don't find a solution that some what works this is only going to get worse.

[Angus-Beef]

Just want you to take a second and think of what you said. Now think you are SE. Lets see if we can agree on a few things before going on. SE has tried to set the bar low, they want the game to be inclusive as possible, and they allow tools with a don't ask don't tell policy. Now imagine the very casual players SE tries to help by making the game easier in the first two points. Those players are being excluded heavily by a tool that is a don't ask don't tell. It might not even be that they are being excluded based on that alone, but the perception by a certain percentage of the players. Still following hopefully. Do you think SE would have to take some sort of action to continuing protect the much larger casual player base over the much smaller and using non sanctioned tools high end progression group.





I have come to the wish about meters and similar tools. Make the third party tools illegal and the sites that post numbers from them take them down. Have what they deem high end progression exclude any random party making. And give those people a dps meter and a finished number that they can screen shot. Once they deem those instances no longer high end with ilvl increase remove the meter. They have meters, they have recorded stats in pvp, and they seem to be able to hide meters. Included it with patches. They don't find a solution that some what works this is only going to get worse.

You realize that's what the majority of the high end player base has been doing and SE has stopped us yet right?

[RitsukoSonoda]

Solution for the whole parsing debate really isn't going to happen. Reason being the solution is for people to change. You have people that want end game content but refuse to acknowledge they need to improve. Often they're they ones using excuses like "I have a life/job/kid/etc...". You have people that queue into these things and just expect the rest of the group to carry them so they can roll on loot while they decorate the floor. Then you have the elitist jackasses that feel the need to knitpick over details and tell other people how to play the game while not even following the supposed advice they are giving out. Then you have those people obsessed with numbers because their only goal is to find an excuse to rub one out of their e-peen.

Something not specific to this game but games in general it feels like the skill level of the average gamer has decreased in the past 20 years. I don't feel like its an issue with people having a life or time. I feel like its a problem with people in general coupled with gaming companies dumbing things down to appease said people once they realized games had gotten to a point on consoles that developers can patch and change things after launch and shifted to crying "NERF PLZ!" when they cant clear something rather than before when their options were get good or go home.

[Lily_Skye]

Solution: ban them all

[Angus-Beef]

Solution: ban them all

Then have no raid community and never clear

[Moonlite]

You realize that's what the majority of the high end player base has been doing and SE has stopped us yet right?

Yes it has been happening quietly, right? It seems like a few of the crankier people can't keep quiet and are getting in trouble. Probably not the kind of attention you guys like. SE also seem to be a little more active, do they not? Maybe this will all simmer down to the status quo. But threads like this don't help, people in instances who don't know to stay quiet don't help, and streamers who should know better don't help either.

[Angus-Beef]

Yes it has been happening quietly, right? It seems like a few of the crankier people can't keep quiet and are getting in trouble. Probably not the kind of attention you guys like. SE also seem to be a little more active, do they not? Maybe this will all simmer down to the status quo. But threads like this don't help, people in instances who don't know to stay quiet don't help, and streamers who should know better don't help either.

That changes nothing for high end players dropping shit tier players within the first 5 seconds of them joining a pf party for savage.

People only risk their own accounts for being ass hats on stream, and he wasn't even banned for parsing, he was banned for saying fuck.

The issue isn't the parser, the issue is people don't improve.

If they didn't ban all parsers when it first started happening, it won't happen now.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

At least if there's too much information at once you can pause the video or watch a section again until you fully understand it. Much worse are overly long videos with minutes of uninteresting filler.

Then there are text guides which under-explain or explain poorly. My pet peeve is when a guide describes the dance the players must do, but fails to properly explain what kind of shape the mechanics have and how much damage they do. Knowing how to do the fight properly is all well and good, but true mastery comes through understanding what's happening and why you need to do the things you do. That gives you the ability to adjust on the fly if something goes wrong.

One example of a symptom of too rigid guides and lack of full understanding is the popular macro used to visualize player positions around the boss in O10S. I was in a static back then and we had a different method of determining positions (tanks/healers take cardinals, DPS are paired with them and take intercardinals clockwise from their partners). When we had to get random players they were often confused by our way of doing things. The positioning really boils down to two rules: during the large X-shaped mechanic DPS get thunder circles around them so each DPS must go in a different direction, and earth shaker shoots a cone-shaped AoE towards each player so players must be roughly evenly spaced around the boss. When you understand what the mechanics do you can easily figure out where you need to be.

See thats why I just dont do guides. I need to learn by DOING the content. Then when I die or we wipe I need to be told what happened and at what part. Seeing it and playing it myself and having my Party Members help me understand is leagues better then watching a video from someone else perspective.
My own experience and perspective along with helpful teammates is the way to learn.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The solution would have been to not allow in the BLM in the party in the first place. If people want no drama they'll just look at your logs when you join their group. If you don't meet their standards you'll be promptly removed for someone better. This will most likely be done without anyone saying anything, as no one wants to risk getting hammered by a GM.

This way there's no drama, no chance of ban as there's nothing to trace. Sad it has to be this way.

This just create new Drama...a Black Mage Main or a BLM player is being denied access to content.
If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.
Gatekeeping isn't good, its part of what creates all these nerfs and weird buffs to things

[Yeol]

If you’re talking about streamers getting banned, hiding characters names would have solved most issues.

The recent ban was actually because the clip went viral in the JP community and the BLM got harassed because of it.
The clip had to be taken down and the streamer got banned.

If only the clip didn’t spread as much as it did, if the names were hidden.. this ban probably wouldn’t have happened.

You cannot control who sees the clip, but you can blur names in ACT and show initial letters on your screen.

In this case, even if people wanted to find out who the BLM was, they would use someones else footage or go to FFLogs (incase someone uploaded the run).
They will use other resources than the streamers clip = streamer is safe.

Even FFLogs offer players an option to hide their profiles/logs. You cannot use hidden information as proof of anything.

That is why when people complain about other players in a very popular thread here, they will hide names from chat log.