Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Angus-Beef]

solution don't play a casual game and then publically shame players who dont meet your standards in a live stream using a against TOS tool.

the devs/gms already turn a blind eye to parsers.

This game used to be relatively hard, it was made casual because using your brain is foreign to most people.

And to the OP, what SE needs to do is to open their API and support Act usage. Blizzard has done the same for addon like recount and details(types of parsers) and they still ban people for being asses.

That being said there are waaay to MA y guides for none parsing players within the community to improve. They truthfully don't want to improve and do the bare minimum for most content so they expect people to carry them.

The only solution if SE doesn't enforce harder content is for people who are competent to just not play with bad players who take polite advice as *toxic* or to just be blunt about how they're messing up and move on.

[Grey_Cain]

If Stone, Sea, Sky doesn't work, then what you really want isn't a training dummy. You want a solo-instanced "Role Training" version of the fight, which, incidentally, isn't a simple solution at all based on the sheer number of additional "Training" fights they'd need to add (4 savage raids + 2 extreme trials, multiplied by 3 roles makes for 18 new instances with just the current "high-end" duties).

Alternatively, the extremely simple solution that already exists in the game is to educate people about the Raid Finder's matching requirements (Duty Incomplete), purpose (Practice), and practice phase selection (First Phase or Final Phase). Maybe expand that to include all "high-end" content that regular players struggle with.

[Xeronia]

Please do elaborate. What justification would someone have to complain of such a feature? If you're not prepared for a fight, you shouldnt be entering them. The game in its current state no longer encourages improvement, as things are only constantly being made easier, to the point nothing is a challenge in the slightest and I am constantly running into players who perform actions learned below level 15 only.

Some of the proving grounds were almost impossible to clear as it forced the same trials on everyone. A single target based class couldn't beat the AoE test in time or an AoE based class couldn't burst down a target fast enough. Then you add in things like avoiding and kiting stuff that some classes would never be expected to do and thus it made the proving ground almost impossible for really stationary classes. I would also point to the striking dummies in game as it stands are horribly lopsided dependent on class as well, as I recall healer friends of mine noted the DPS check on the E1S dummy was insane.

We also need to point to the fact, Silver proving grounds didn't improve the people in Heroics in WoW. You would still question how the heck people in your party were doing so badly despite passing the silver proving grounds required. What usually happened was the classic "Oh I did my silver proving ground as *insert different Spec here." the idea proposed doesn't avoid that here either. "Oh I did the proving ground as a Scholar but I am here as an Astrologian, now what do these cards do?".

Sad fact is people will not improve unless they have the will to do so themselves, putting in a gate will just prevent them from doing the content at all.

[Nandrolone]

solution don't play a casual game and then publically shame players who dont meet your standards in a live stream using a against TOS tool.

the devs/gms already turn a blind eye to parsers.

To be fair, this game never really started being casual till like 4.0. Everything before that was pretty standard.

[Barraind]

The easiest solution is that if you are a bad to terrible player, and you have no desire to get better, dont waste other peoples time in content that requires you being or getting better.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Why not just introduce a Training/Practice Run Mechanic so people can learn a fight?
I think one of the bigger issues is people just not knowing what they are doing, when you go in blind you dont know the mechanics, so it can also effect your DPS because you are worried about other things.
Gatekeeping isn't really a solution as it would probably just kill interest in doing content if you have to jump through a bunch of holes and then complete instances in order to do something. Heck, even if they did do that, its not like it guarantee's a clear. Other factors take place for every player.

[Angus-Beef]

Why not just introduce a Training/Practice Run Mechanic so people can learn a fight?
I think one of the bigger issues is people just not knowing what they are doing, when you go in blind you dont know the mechanics, so it can also effect your DPS because you are worried about other things.
Gatekeeping isn't really a solution as it would probably just kill interest in doing content if you have to jump through a bunch of holes and then complete instances in order to do something. Heck, even if they did do that, its not like it guarantee's a clear. Other factors take place for every player.

See the issue is people would see those tools and still not use them. I'm all for having more tools in game, but if it's optional we still have the same issue of people underperforming and the tools provided not being touched.

Guides, videos from well known raiders and the whole of the balance discord fall under tools provided as well.

[LeoLupinos]

solution don't play a casual game and then publically shame players who dont meet your standards in a live stream using a against TOS tool.

the devs/gms already turn a blind eye to parsers.

It's kinda sad to realize that people are more interested into skipping the Thread text to read the first coment into hoping it's a crit off topic nonsense to contribute to the daily internet Likes jackpot meta of this forum.

All i will say to this.
WoW has tried this with the proving grounds and you have to clear silver in your role to get into heroics. IIRC it caused a massive backlash towards Blizzard. I'd like SE to not go that route imho.

It's hard to believe that people will have a harder time with the dummy than the duty itself.
I'd rather they stay blocked out of this "optional content" if they can't even pass a simple dummy test. Brain just sent regards, hes just fine in non existence.

[DumdogsWorld]

The problem is the games failure to inform players of low performance.

Okay, I'll give you that. It's too easy for a player to under-perform in this game and not even know it.

However, that's a matter of information, not restricting players from entering duties based on their results against a striking dummy.

As much as everybody hates that under-performing guy who ruins the run for everybody else, that guy is just as entitled to queue for the duty as everybody else, if only to get vaporized.

To inform players of their performance, Square Enix could add a ranking system that is unable to be abused for shaming purposes. When you complete a duty, it tells you your percentile for your role and job on that duty without mentioning other players. Then you can see where you stand, and people can't shame you outside of demanding screenshots.

[Omymy]

Sounds boring. I'm out.

Can i be in?