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    Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

    I have a solution to the ever growing issue, and demand for "parsing" and in game issue of high level players preforming below low level standards.

    Problem:
    high level players preforming below low level standards


    With the current drama over some twitch user, and people complaining, and all this random needless confusion, I propose a very very simple solution.

    Since the game does nothing to guide you, and content goes from 100% trivial easy walk in the park with dungeons, and FATEs to .. now you actually have to try in raids and trials, something needs to be added for a barrier or system to weed out players not quite ready for the next, and only optional tier of content.

    The game already has:
    Instances
    Striking dummies
    Item usage prevention debuffs
    Level sync/Item level Sync


    Please add:

    Solution:

    -Instanced striking dummies.

    Stone Sky Sea is a good measure, but it does nothing to teach.

    Instanced striking dummies, must be level synced, item level synced, must have the same feature that is provided in Deep dungeons (heaven on high, and palace of the dead) "items restricted."

    These dummies instances, will remove all buffs, namely food, reset your skills, like any other instance, and then prevent you from using items while inside.

    DPS - Must defeat the target in the time allotted
    Tanks - Must defeat the target in time allotted while being attacked, utilizing proper defensive skills. If dead before killing the mob, skills were not utilized, within time alloted.
    Healers, must keep a target healed, as well as damage the dummy within time alloted.


    Finally, you cannot enter savage or extreme trials without completing a specified duty's striking dummy.

    1 new dummy will be introduced with each subsequent gear set.

    If you're not prepared for extreme's and savage, you have no place being there in the first place.

    Thank you.




    Extra info:
    If this is not a solution, one must be added.

    A parsing tool clearly isnt the answer, as Square-Enix is very clear on their stance of the matter.

    The game absolutely must introduce something to inform players of their faults. When DPS can clear content without executing combos, or even any semblance of a rotation, healers can get away without healing, and tanks arent using reprisal and proper cooldowns and continue to clear content, there is a serious issue plaguing not only the game itself, but the community as a whole.



    or... just stop making the game extremely trivial at all levels of content outside of Extreme Trials and Savage... Stop giving in to people demanding that fights like Shinryu at release needs to be nerfed or Pharos Sirius needs to be nerfed. Start making things difficult again? There is no excuse a level 80 player is using 1-4 skills in battle and failing mechanics, and still able to clear content. Something needs to be done, as soon as possible.
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    Last edited by Daniolaut; 12-29-2019 at 01:38 AM.

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    solution don't play a casual game and then publically shame players who dont meet your standards in a live stream using a against TOS tool.

    the devs/gms already turn a blind eye to parsers.
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    All i will say to this.
    WoW has tried this with the proving grounds and you have to clear silver in your role to get into heroics. IIRC it caused a massive backlash towards Blizzard. I'd like SE to not go that route imho.
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    Already copied the homogenization and removal of identity, why not copy that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    solution don't play a casual game and then publically shame players who dont meet your standards in a live stream using a against TOS tool.

    the devs/gms already turn a blind eye to parsers.
    The twitch user is not the problem. Such things are a product of aforementioned problem.

    The problem is the games failure to inform players of low performance.

    I updated the OP to help add clarity.

    .... seriously its impossible to stay on topic on these forums. Literally impossible.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sorimachi87 View Post
    All i will say to this.
    WoW has tried this with the proving grounds and you have to clear silver in your role to get into heroics. IIRC it caused a massive backlash towards Blizzard. I'd like SE to not go that route imho.
    Please do elaborate. What justification would someone have to complain of such a feature? If you're not prepared for a fight, you shouldnt be entering them. The game in its current state no longer encourages improvement, as things are only constantly being made easier, to the point nothing is a challenge in the slightest and I am constantly running into players who perform actions learned below level 15 only.
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    Last edited by Daniolaut; 12-29-2019 at 01:46 AM.

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    Sounds boring. I'm out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    The game absolutely must introduce something to inform players of their faults. When DPS can clear content without executing combos, or even any semblance of a rotation, healers can get away without healing, and tanks arent using reprisal and proper cooldowns and continue to clear content, there is a serious issue plaguing not only the game itself, but the community as a whole.
    Risky stance here. So long as people get a suspension for trying to help other players improve their gameplay ("harassment") there won't be any change to this. And if you keep a close eye (not even close actually, just glance at it) on the community and what opinions they voice you can see how they don't wanna improve and rather cry all day about perceived toxicity and elitism and whatnot.
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    This right here why I will never touch ex or savage content. Another thing need to take in effect is other players lag which cause less dps and get them killed more often.
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    Savage and EX is meant to be more high end hardcore gaming. It was never really meant for everyone until that content gets old and needs to be rejuvenated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    This right here why I will never touch ex or savage content. Another thing need to take in effect is other players lag which cause less dps and get them killed more often.
    Sorry to break it to you but if your hardware is not up to the task you shouldn't really go into that kind of content either. You don't need a high-end setup but if you regulary deal with lags to the point that it gets you killed, going into endgame content isn't a good idea. Escpecially not via PF. If you static is okay with you regularily failing mechanics and dealing less dps because of lags, that's their choice.
    There are enough mechanics out there that get others killed or even wipe the whole raid if you mess them up for whatever reason, wether its lag or brainlag doesn't matter. Dead is dead.
    I skipped almost a whole expansion of raids in WoW because my hardware was so outdated I had lags in every single raid after the Legion update. Of course I didn't like it but that's the way it was and I would've been a liability in a raid.
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