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    BLM AOE Rotation

    Hello all,

    I just wanted to discuss the most effective AOE rotation for BLM.

    Currently, mine goes something like this:

    Ley Lines > Blizzard 3 > Enochian > Sharpcast > Thunder IV > Freeze > Flare (2) > Convert > Swiftcast > Flare > Transpose > Enochian > Freeze > Flare (2) > Transpose > Triplecast > Foul > Fire 3 > Fire 2 > Flare > Transpose > Freeze > Flare (2)

    I was just curious if anyone had a different rotation or had any helpful comments or critiques on my BLM AOE rotation.

    Thanks for the discussion.
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    Really depends if you're looking for cool downs aoe, or general aoe. For the most part that's right minus ogcd clipping in your rotation and the f2. You can pretty much remove f2 from your bar.

    Against 5 or more targets (maybe it was 6, I can't recall) its actually better to 'cold' flare, as in casting a flare while in umbral ice after freeze, then hard casting a second flare into a freeze again.
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    Thank you! Could you tell me what you mean by ogcd clipping? Also thanks for the tip on f2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saranade View Post
    Thank you! Could you tell me what you mean by ogcd clipping? Also thanks for the tip on f2.
    Off global cooldown clipping. So ogcd spells are spells that dont roll your gcd, like leylines, enochian, triple cast, swift cast, ect. Those spells have an animation lock of sorts that slow your spell output if you dont weave them correctly.

    So for example, casting f3 or b3 to change from UI or AF has a faster cast time than your gcd, you can afford to weave one ogcd there. Then there's triple cast which you can weave an ogcd after each instant cast. Triple cast becomes more of a weaving tool for blm than just a movement tool.

    So let's say you're walking between pulls, you have UI 3 and 3 hearts because of umbral soul, you can walk up to the next mob, t4, f3 triple cast, flare, ley lines, flare, convert, flare freeze, ect. In that scenario 3 ogcds were used, but none of them would slow the start time if the next spell

    Also outside of certain circumstances I wouldn't really pre leylines. Pre sharpcast instead since the buff will last long enough to get its effect. Pre ll only wastes ll time on a spell you would likely be precasting before a target was pulled, so that's kind of wasted effect.

    So say in your rotation scenario it sounds like you're starting off a dungeon with no previous combat yet. If I really wanted to fully burn a first pull, I would pre cast sharp while we're moving in, freeze, eno, t4, f3 triple cast, flare, leylines, flare, convert, flare, freeze, t4 proc, cold flare because they're likely almost dead, then slightly ogcd clip a swift cast flare. Transpose, spam umbral soul to go to the next fight. You should never have to start from scratch again in the dungeon to get as many fouls/xenoglossy's as possible.

    Depending on the dungeon and how much your tank pulls, you may want to save more cds for bigger pulls. If the first pull can be chain pulled, you may want to just rush a freeze, or even a b1/f1 off to activate eno, get a t3/t4 off on the mobs while the tank is running, AM to the tank between a couple casts, then when the train stops start burning everything, but by the time it stops, you may already have ui3, a couple umbral hearts, and possibly a natural thunder proc. The important thing in that case is getting your enochian on as soon as possible and never lose it again.
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    Ah yes! Very much appreciate the explanations, this will be adapted into my rotation.
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    Once you get aspect mastery which is a level 72 trait, you don't have to use transpose in your rotation unless you are doing level synched content below 72. You may use it after you kill a pack of mobs to then be able to use umbral soul if you were in umbral fire, but not during battle. You can cast the opposite element with 0 mp. So you can adjust your rotation around this. After your last despair/flare, you can go right into casting blizz 3/freeze.
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    I pulled this one from Reddit and it's the rotation I generally use for aoe.

    Freeze(Sharpcast)>T4>Foul(when available)>F3(T4 proc&Triplecast)>Flare>Flare(Manafont)>Flare(Swiftcast & Ether)>Flare>repeat. Not needing to transpose after flares anymore just keeps the dps flowing so much smoother now. Note you can be as low as 800MP* and still Flare.
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    Ah yes! I indeed forgot Transpose is seemingly unnecessary during battle. I also am trying to figure out how to add despair more often into my single target rotations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendalas View Post
    Freeze(Sharpcast)>T4>Foul(when available)>F3(T4 proc&Triplecast)>Flare>Flare(Manafont)>Flare(Swiftcast & Ether)>Flare>repeat. Not needing to transpose after flares anymore just keeps the dps flowing so much smoother now. Note you can be as low as 800MP* and still Flare.
    This is what I use. It does require the level 72 trait to be able to use, however, as a word of warning. You'll have to adjust when you get synced down for stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mendalas View Post
    Ah yes! I indeed forgot Transpose is seemingly unnecessary during battle. I also am trying to figure out how to add despair more often into my single target rotations.
    Despair should be used right after your last Fire IV which you should always have enough mana for if nothing unusual happened. Think of it as a finishing move for your fire stance. The same trait that lets you go right from Flare to Freeze in the AoE rotation will let you go right from Despair to Blizzard 3 in the single target one, but you don't have to worry about level sync in this case since Despair is earned at the same level.
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    Hey, you can see the aoe rotation in this guide. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...h.gy9ygct7qq40

    The only thing I would add is to precast Sharpcast and T4 as your open when encountering a set of mobs.
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    Last edited by OneTrueMiqote; 12-25-2019 at 03:27 AM.

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