BLM flow and instant Cast logic problems

[jmoak]

Alright so i could take my time to carefully explain to you why you are wrong and why instant casts work the way they do, but i'm sure other people can manage to do that far better than i ever could. Instead i'm here to call you out on your bullshit. Specifically this part:

... I have easily over 2000 ++ hours playing ONLY BLM AND ONLY THAT ... I don't care to play anything else am a caster player in this game and many many other MMOs
every time I try to speak about the BLM I get flooded by many people who don't even main the class comeing to speak about it ... am sure your lvling experience was good in the BLM but if you ever tried to play it more then just to max lvl you will understand the little things that makes it one of the most underperforming jobs (high end) in this game ...

You have grand total of 8 mounts and 30 minions. There is absolutely no way you have 2000 hours played. The claim that you only play blm is false too as you have lvl 80 ninja and some parses on that.

Speaking of parses you have no savage clears and your highest Normal raid parse with blm is sitting at grey 23% in voidwalker. Your only extreme primal clear is single titania where you got mere 8% which in all honestly is pretty pathetic. So tell me dear OP, what were you saying about that "high end" gameplay?

[Neela]

u don’t actually know Silverquick? : /

[KalinOrthos]

am sorry this reply in its own shows that you don't understand the flow of the BLM ...

The irony here is staggering.

So I'mma admit something: My BLM is level 71. Mostly because I've never been a fan of turreting. I like having my movement options. It does feel good to roll out the Fire 4s and watch boss HP just melt, but I like to jitter and move on a whim more, so poor BLM sits on my To-Do list.

However, just from a cursory glance, BLM changes very little from 70 to 80. They get a Fire phase combo ender, the ability to swap with full stacks after emptying mana, a great Eno maintainer during downtime, and a single target, instacast Foul. Nothing genuinely game changing, just new toys and lovely QoL things. Which tells me their general gameplay flow changes very little from 70, which is something I know and understand like the back of my hand. I use Sharpcast on cooldown for that delicious proc; I use Triplecast to stay out of danger when it's not in my opener; I have Swiftcast available with an easy buttonpress; and yes, if worst comes to worst, I have Scathe in the cases that I screw up boss timings and have nothing left to help me in my movement.

Unlike you, sir, I take the time to learn the kit, even on classes I don't necessarily like all that much. Partially it's because I do like to help other players struggling to understand a class, but also because it just makes me a better player to know the strengths and limits to different jobs. Black Mage is extremely movement averse, and the most basic use of their oGCDs is to help mitigate that aversion when all of the endgame fights require movement. It's really, REALLY not that hard to understand.

[Kabooa]

Ugh, can't snappy comeback, forums might eat me.

Safe to say - You can move along here, people.

[Allooutrick]

The internet's favorite tradition: feeding trolls.

[juutalainen9]

I can swear most of the time you are running around spamming umbral soul and trying to keep alive while juggling your 15-sec timer that if run out you need to spend about 10 to 8 seconds starting the rotation again

nope

you can easily drop the astral fire faze if you cast an instant lightning ... in high-end fights, even the best BLMs cant keep with the boss attacks and mechanics and maintain a real focus on the astral fire faze at the same time

again, just no. with 2000+ hours in blm practice you should be able to execute the rotation (which is incredibly straightforward too) without having to look at your AF/UI timer too much. you can easily utilize thundercloud procs/firestarter procs/xenoglossy for movement purposes, granted you're familiar with the fight. try to find VODs or study logs of high-level players to see how they manage to keep uptime, but please dont spread outright lies like "even the best BLMs cant keep with the boss attacks and mechanics". BLM as it stands has a ton of movement options, and you can now refresh thunder ANYWHERE in your rotation.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I get where you are coming from. However due to the game being designed the way it is, what you're asking for is pretty much impossible.

I'm a BLM main who's been playing since HW and each expansion has made high-end BLM a slightly different animal. If I understood right, your complaint is from the fact that so-called 'instant' spells still have CD that must be observed, separate from cast timers. This is true for every class/job in FFXIV. Its the very framework of the game and its there for a good reason.

Imagine if you had 2 xenoglossys saved up and a third was about to be ready and you were going to pop all three together but you mashed the button too quickly and only one went off and that threw you off and you mashed some more but you missed that window and lost the third xenoglossy and your enochian dropped off as well. The mandatory space between when you can press buttons and perform actions weeds a lot of this out, or at least that's what I've come to understand.

Unless there's another argument I'm not seeing. In any case, I'm happy with how our instant casts work (along with Triple and Swiftcast). Sorry its not working out for you but I feel like the alternative would be a hot mess.

[TheDarkMagician]

Whenever I speak about the BLM ... there is always your kind of people...Barely play it - only lvled it - never even did like the class - AND BY GOD ...you are all masters of it when it comes to speaking about it ... I play BLM I am friend with many BLM and I watch a lot of people who actually play it Mainly ... and every time there is a new high-end raid or trial am left with the question how the hell am I gonna be useful running around most of the time (KEYWORD USEFUL)... A "TURRET" class has no place in the move around land that is high end.

and you will not see me stop playing it ... I love the BLM unlike you I want the class to be better and I can see CLEAR problems in it when it comes to high performance while for some reason YOU ALL see a perfect class that has NOT A SINGAL PROBLEM
nay the best Class in the game that can solo bosses all day .... while I after many hours of playing I see a lot of clunkiness in its design flaws in its spells mindless mechanics that need to be changed a LOT of little things the ruin the Class flow of the BLM
I understand ... a lot of you think adapting to a flowed design is some sort of mastery ... believe me, I reached that mastery and found it lacking no matter how good I am at the BLM in high-end this class will always be a liability is some way

I asked for a change in the Proc instant cast system nothing more ... even tho this class is lacking in a lot of other things and by god, you are all soo ANGRY with even me suggesting a change that would make the class better and more fun and would help with its flow ... I guess there is a stigma around BLM people see the damage and they get this feeling that this class deserves to be clunky as trade-off with dealing a lot of damage.

[Nedkel]

Thats why i love BLM, its slow but its not easy to manage and play properly. I dont want it changed because you cant play it, you should try different job if you find it annoying.
Instant cast is there so you could start your opener fast. Light spells are not useless, they are doing decent dps if you look into logs.

[ReiMakoto]

Whenever I speak about the BLM ... there is always your kind of people...Barely play it - only lvled it - never even did like the class - AND BY GOD ...you are all masters of it when it comes to speaking about it ... I play BLM I am friend with many BLM and I watch a lot of people who actually play it Mainly ... and every time there is a new high-end raid or trial am left with the question how the hell am I gonna be useful running around most of the time (KEYWORD USEFUL)... A "TURRET" class has no place in the move around land that is high end.

and you will not see me stop playing it ... I love the BLM unlike you I want the class to be better and I can see CLEAR problems in it when it comes to high performance while for some reason YOU ALL see a perfect class that has NOT A SINGAL PROBLEM
nay the best Class in the game that can solo bosses all day .... while I after many hours of playing I see a lot of clunkiness in its design flaws in its spells mindless mechanics that need to be changed a LOT of little things the ruin the Class flow of the BLM
I understand ... a lot of you think adapting to a flowed design is some sort of mastery ... believe me, I reached that mastery and found it lacking no matter how good I am at the BLM in high-end this class will always be a liability is some way

I asked for a change in the Proc instant cast system nothing more ... even tho this class is lacking in a lot of other things and by god, you are all soo ANGRY with even me suggesting a change that would make the class better and more fun and would help with its flow ... I guess there is a stigma around BLM people see the damage and they get this feeling that this class deserves to be clunky as trade-off with dealing a lot of damage.

First off, no one here is angry, you just seem to fundamentally misunderstand the class and how instants are supposed to work. If youve such a mastery as you say you do, have you cleared all of savage on your black mage? Can you clear stone sea sky on black mage even?

As for your final point, to an extent yes, black mage does need to be "clunky" (despite this probably being the smoothest iteration of black mage yet) because an optimised black mage does so much damage it would actually be unfair if black mage wasnt "clunky", and both the other casters would essentially be pushed out of content.

Its great that youre passionate, but try to listen to what others say to you, a good hint is if everyone you speak to is saying youre wrong, odds are you should consider what theyre saying, instead of spouting out a no true black mage fallacy