BLM flow and instant Cast logic problems

[Rilifane]

I think you're seriously misunderstanding the basics of BLM and some things in general.
Instant casts and off globals are two completely different things and have a different purpose. Instant casts are casts that are on global cooldown BUT have no casttime - like Xeno, procs and any triple/ swift casts. They offer you a double weaving window and mobility for one gcd.
Off globals are a completely different thing. No skill in this game was ever turned from a regular cast into an off global via buff. Off globals can be weaved during your global cooldown and while the BLM doesn't have many skills that need weaving, without instant casts you'd constantly be clipping. And THAT is the actual "locking your character in animation and preventing them from casting".

Triplecast/ Swiftcast doubles as dps gain when used on casts longer than your gcd and mobility tool. The ~0,3sec you gain by having three instant Fire IV compared to casting it not only is a dps gain, it also gives you almost 1sec of additional breathing room to get more casts done before you have to refresh AF. And the mobility + 3 double weaving windows are fantastic. It's the reason why the opener works as well as it does, because you can pot, throw LL and (if neccessary) use Addle/ MW to help mitigate damage if the boss starts with an aoe.

BLM is the class with the least ogcds and weaving windows (only counting dps classes here), so asking for instant casts (which offer said windows) to be turned into ogcds (which need said windows) is a pretty good way to completely screw BLM gameplay.
The challenge of BLM is to maintain your steady rotation while keeping uptime and handling mechanics and I can assure you, it's quite possible. BLM performs really well. The only boss where I found many mechanics a nuisance was E3s.

I'm not sure what you did with your 2000++ hours of playing only BLM but leaning the basics of the class apparently wasn't part of it. And stating that people who know what they're talking about (just because they haven't tagged their main class as BLM in forums doesn't mean they have no knowledge of the class) makes you seem like a troll.
BLM definitely doesn't need any changes in gameplay. It flows and performs well, escpecially at max level and has enough tools to react to mechanics but not too many which would take away the biggest challenge of playing BLM well. Some classes have more difficult rotations but are easier to handle in practice, with BLM it's simply the opposite.

[Neela]

u don’t actually know Silverquick? : /

[KalinOrthos]

am sorry this reply in its own shows that you don't understand the flow of the BLM ...

The irony here is staggering.

So I'mma admit something: My BLM is level 71. Mostly because I've never been a fan of turreting. I like having my movement options. It does feel good to roll out the Fire 4s and watch boss HP just melt, but I like to jitter and move on a whim more, so poor BLM sits on my To-Do list.

However, just from a cursory glance, BLM changes very little from 70 to 80. They get a Fire phase combo ender, the ability to swap with full stacks after emptying mana, a great Eno maintainer during downtime, and a single target, instacast Foul. Nothing genuinely game changing, just new toys and lovely QoL things. Which tells me their general gameplay flow changes very little from 70, which is something I know and understand like the back of my hand. I use Sharpcast on cooldown for that delicious proc; I use Triplecast to stay out of danger when it's not in my opener; I have Swiftcast available with an easy buttonpress; and yes, if worst comes to worst, I have Scathe in the cases that I screw up boss timings and have nothing left to help me in my movement.

Unlike you, sir, I take the time to learn the kit, even on classes I don't necessarily like all that much. Partially it's because I do like to help other players struggling to understand a class, but also because it just makes me a better player to know the strengths and limits to different jobs. Black Mage is extremely movement averse, and the most basic use of their oGCDs is to help mitigate that aversion when all of the endgame fights require movement. It's really, REALLY not that hard to understand.

[Kabooa]

Ugh, can't snappy comeback, forums might eat me.

Safe to say - You can move along here, people.

[Allooutrick]

The internet's favorite tradition: feeding trolls.

[juutalainen9]

I can swear most of the time you are running around spamming umbral soul and trying to keep alive while juggling your 15-sec timer that if run out you need to spend about 10 to 8 seconds starting the rotation again

nope

you can easily drop the astral fire faze if you cast an instant lightning ... in high-end fights, even the best BLMs cant keep with the boss attacks and mechanics and maintain a real focus on the astral fire faze at the same time

again, just no. with 2000+ hours in blm practice you should be able to execute the rotation (which is incredibly straightforward too) without having to look at your AF/UI timer too much. you can easily utilize thundercloud procs/firestarter procs/xenoglossy for movement purposes, granted you're familiar with the fight. try to find VODs or study logs of high-level players to see how they manage to keep uptime, but please dont spread outright lies like "even the best BLMs cant keep with the boss attacks and mechanics". BLM as it stands has a ton of movement options, and you can now refresh thunder ANYWHERE in your rotation.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I get where you are coming from. However due to the game being designed the way it is, what you're asking for is pretty much impossible.

I'm a BLM main who's been playing since HW and each expansion has made high-end BLM a slightly different animal. If I understood right, your complaint is from the fact that so-called 'instant' spells still have CD that must be observed, separate from cast timers. This is true for every class/job in FFXIV. Its the very framework of the game and its there for a good reason.

Imagine if you had 2 xenoglossys saved up and a third was about to be ready and you were going to pop all three together but you mashed the button too quickly and only one went off and that threw you off and you mashed some more but you missed that window and lost the third xenoglossy and your enochian dropped off as well. The mandatory space between when you can press buttons and perform actions weeds a lot of this out, or at least that's what I've come to understand.

Unless there's another argument I'm not seeing. In any case, I'm happy with how our instant casts work (along with Triple and Swiftcast). Sorry its not working out for you but I feel like the alternative would be a hot mess.

[TheDarkMagician]

Whenever I speak about the BLM ... there is always your kind of people...Barely play it - only lvled it - never even did like the class - AND BY GOD ...you are all masters of it when it comes to speaking about it ... I play BLM I am friend with many BLM and I watch a lot of people who actually play it Mainly ... and every time there is a new high-end raid or trial am left with the question how the hell am I gonna be useful running around most of the time (KEYWORD USEFUL)... A "TURRET" class has no place in the move around land that is high end.

and you will not see me stop playing it ... I love the BLM unlike you I want the class to be better and I can see CLEAR problems in it when it comes to high performance while for some reason YOU ALL see a perfect class that has NOT A SINGAL PROBLEM
nay the best Class in the game that can solo bosses all day .... while I after many hours of playing I see a lot of clunkiness in its design flaws in its spells mindless mechanics that need to be changed a LOT of little things the ruin the Class flow of the BLM
I understand ... a lot of you think adapting to a flowed design is some sort of mastery ... believe me, I reached that mastery and found it lacking no matter how good I am at the BLM in high-end this class will always be a liability is some way

I asked for a change in the Proc instant cast system nothing more ... even tho this class is lacking in a lot of other things and by god, you are all soo ANGRY with even me suggesting a change that would make the class better and more fun and would help with its flow ... I guess there is a stigma around BLM people see the damage and they get this feeling that this class deserves to be clunky as trade-off with dealing a lot of damage.

[ReiMakoto]

Whenever I speak about the BLM ... there is always your kind of people...Barely play it - only lvled it - never even did like the class - AND BY GOD ...you are all masters of it when it comes to speaking about it ... I play BLM I am friend with many BLM and I watch a lot of people who actually play it Mainly ... and every time there is a new high-end raid or trial am left with the question how the hell am I gonna be useful running around most of the time (KEYWORD USEFUL)... A "TURRET" class has no place in the move around land that is high end.

and you will not see me stop playing it ... I love the BLM unlike you I want the class to be better and I can see CLEAR problems in it when it comes to high performance while for some reason YOU ALL see a perfect class that has NOT A SINGAL PROBLEM
nay the best Class in the game that can solo bosses all day .... while I after many hours of playing I see a lot of clunkiness in its design flaws in its spells mindless mechanics that need to be changed a LOT of little things the ruin the Class flow of the BLM
I understand ... a lot of you think adapting to a flowed design is some sort of mastery ... believe me, I reached that mastery and found it lacking no matter how good I am at the BLM in high-end this class will always be a liability is some way

I asked for a change in the Proc instant cast system nothing more ... even tho this class is lacking in a lot of other things and by god, you are all soo ANGRY with even me suggesting a change that would make the class better and more fun and would help with its flow ... I guess there is a stigma around BLM people see the damage and they get this feeling that this class deserves to be clunky as trade-off with dealing a lot of damage.

First off, no one here is angry, you just seem to fundamentally misunderstand the class and how instants are supposed to work. If youve such a mastery as you say you do, have you cleared all of savage on your black mage? Can you clear stone sea sky on black mage even?

As for your final point, to an extent yes, black mage does need to be "clunky" (despite this probably being the smoothest iteration of black mage yet) because an optimised black mage does so much damage it would actually be unfair if black mage wasnt "clunky", and both the other casters would essentially be pushed out of content.

Its great that youre passionate, but try to listen to what others say to you, a good hint is if everyone you speak to is saying youre wrong, odds are you should consider what theyre saying, instead of spouting out a no true black mage fallacy

[juutalainen9]

Whenever I speak about the BLM ... there is always your kind of people...Barely play it - only lvled it - never even did like the class - AND BY GOD ... trial am left with the question how the hell am I gonna be useful running around most of the time (KEYWORD USEFUL)... A "TURRET" class has no place in the move around land that is high end.

blah blah blah.... while I after many hours of playing I see a lot of clunkiness in its design flaws in its spells mindless mechanics that need to be changed a LOT of little things the ruin the Class flow of the BLM
I understand ... a lot of you think adapting to a flowed design is some sort of mastery ... believe me, I reached that mastery and found it blah blah blah

I asked for a change in the Proc instant cast system nothing more ... even tho this class is lacking in a lot of other things and by god, you are all soo

er, im just gonna give you the benefit of doubt because im honestly not sure if you're trolling or not.
but anyways, you seem to be under the delusion that having to cast thunder at all is a loss compared to exclusively just focusing on f4, which is not the case. it's been mathed out that you should just use thunder like any other dot in the game, refreshing it as it's gonna fall off. however, with thundercloud procs in the mix, you don't wanna let those drop either so in fact: refresh thunder as the dot OR the thundercloud proc is about to fall off, and it will be a gain even if you have to "interrupt" your rotation.
that being said, thunder being instant just wouldn't work on a job like blm. you're locked to casting most of the time, its the whole idea of the job - you're locked to place a lot of the time but you have a simple rotation in exchange, and your optimization is mostly going to be fight-specific movement optimization. you can't just suddenly give blm a ton of oGCDs because we simply don't have the weave space for all of em. thundercloud procs should be a movement tool for you if anything. if you dont have anything else and you need to move, its ok to clip your thunder dot a bit too and use your proc early for movement. plus the gcd thunder puts you on will allow you to weave stuff in. i really don't understand your point on how it's a "flawed" design.

and believe me, reaching the 23rd percentile on voidwalker does not count as "reaching that mastery". and before you ask yes, i do actually main BLM and i have no issue with not being a liability, so i really don't understand where some of the comments you're making are coming from.