Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Melichoir]

Still say that SE wouldnt have done anything to Arthars if he had blurred out the name and kept things that could point out that player vague. It only became a huge issue because Arthars made such a big deal out of naming the person he was pissed at. To me, it's very clear that his intent was to cause reputation damage and make that guys life in game harder by Arthars riling up his viewership. Even if the guy was being an ass, this is clearly a situation of Arthars using his base to affect someone else in game. Only reason he didnt say anything in game is cause he knew perfectly well that doing so would get him in trouble, so he tried to be clever and do it off platform. And since hes a bigger streamer, Im not gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that "He didnt know better." I know streamers cant control the actions of their viewership, but lets not be stupid and suggest that him making such a huge point of naming and pointing out the players name that he wasnt hoping his base wouldnt respond by harassing/blackballing that player. There's a huge difference between "Mr. Biggles annoys me." and being done with it and saying "Mr. Biggles annoys me so much. This Mr Biggles. So annoying. JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, ITS MR. BIGGLES THAT ANNOYS ME. RIGHT HERE. ON THIS SERVER. MR BIGGLES. HES ANNOYING.But dont totally go after him. But in case anyone was wondering, Again, its Mr Biggles of Sarg. That guy.*wink wink nudge nudge*"

Point is, if your actions on another platform will (within plausibility) affect another player in game, then you should be punished. And people should stop with the ridiculous "What ifs." Youre not gonna get banned for a bit of one off anger at another player in a short tweet, or venting a little bit in a vague manner. Youre gonna get slapped with a ban if you make it a point to go after another player and directly/indirectly encourage others to do the same.

[FirstnameLastname]

Point is, if your actions on another platform will (within plausibility) affect another player in game, then you should be punished. And people should stop with the ridiculous "What ifs." Youre not gonna get banned for a bit of one off anger at another player in a short tweet, or venting a little bit in a vague manner. Youre gonna get slapped with a ban if you make it a point to go after another player and directly/indirectly encourage others to do the same.

Where does that stop, though? If I post a comment in an obscure board related to FFXIV, when is the GM (and I'm not gonna do the joke I originally intended - something along the lines of "gesta-") police coming for me? They said time and time again that only InGame sources are reliable and now what? Guess it was a flat out lie all this time. Nice one. Way to go for players to trust anything the company has ever said and will ever say.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Where does that stop, though? If I post a comment in an obscure board related to FFXIV, when is the GM (and I'm not gonna do the joke I originally intended - something along the lines of "gesta-") police coming for me? They said time and time again that only InGame sources are reliable and now what? Guess it was a flat out lie all this time. Nice one. Way to go for players to trust anything the company has ever said and will ever say.

This is ridiculous. Did you link the message board and your profile for the obscure board in your lodestone to prove its you?

The dude had a link to HIS twitch on HIS character page on the lodestone. If they need proof it was actually him, well, he gave them the link.


Also, the whole where does it stop thing is just... Insane...

Like, they aren't coming to your house and removing your computer...

This is why we can't take you people seriously, you are literally comparing a GM temp banning a guy for being completely out of line on twitch, to police rounding up innocents and sending them off to gods know where for torture and death.


You should honestly be ashamed of yourself.

[Melichoir]

Where does that stop, though? If I post a comment in an obscure board related to FFXIV, when is the GM (and I'm not gonna do the joke I originally intended - something along the lines of "gesta-") police coming for me? They said time and time again that only InGame sources are reliable and now what? Guess it was a flat out lie all this time. Nice one. Way to go for players to trust anything the company has ever said and will ever say.

This is the ridiculous "what ifs" Im talking about. Its quite literally a "Will I get banned if I post a small post on a forum that only gets like 10 people who visit it per year!? " This isnt a plausible scenario or reason that you will be suspended/banned. This is looking for an extreme example and then holding it up to demonstrate that SE has gone to far with dealign with Arthars situation. Common sense would clearly suggest that unless you made active efforts to coordinate harassment towards another player in game, your comment on a small time obscure board isnt gonna get you that ban.

I feel like youre fairly smart, so Im gonna say that youre giving out this example as a bad faith attempt to get on SE's case over this issue rather than really discussing whats warranted or not. You couldve been more genuine and suggest "If Im annoyed at a player and post 'Man, Mr Biggles annoys me. Just wish they would play better!' on reddit, will that get me banned?" instead of ridiculous statements.

Regarding that, if its an off hand comment in a small thread and contextually innocuous, Im skeptical its gonna land you a suspension. The issue is the intent of the posting and the context of issue. A small post isnt gonna warrant reprimand unless the intended goal is to create harassment for the player. This is why a post on reddit saying "Xenosys Vex is a jerkface!" isnt gonna get a ban because its an off hand comment about a public person. People are gonna be like "Yeah he sucks," or "nah hes cool," and thats it. If its a post about a nobody, people are gonna be like "Huh? Who the hell is that?/ Why should I care?" Compare that what Arthars did - Publicly name and shame a private player on a live broadcast, making sure the player's name was 'front and center' for his audience to see with what is likely the intent to defame or cause issues for that player in game. There is specific differences between off hand comments and what not.

Lets not act like common sense doesnt exist. Were not 5 years old here where everything has to be spelled out. Cause man, if that's what people want, people gonna regret that desire real quick if SE enacts it.