Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Xeros_cl]

Anyone can be offended at anything and can report the offense, but SE will still have to make a judgment call on whether it is an actionable offense. The potential to offend someone with anything does not excuse actions that are actually meant to be offensive (again, SE will have to make a judgment call on that). (I didn't see the actual clip, so this is not talking specifically about this incident.)

That's why Im more worried about it and mainly din't touch the chat

An example I found in Reddit (Can't verify tho)

I was downvoted to hell when they notified everyone about changing the TOD for harassment a while back. They made the language so vague that even telling someone how to do mechanics could be considered “criticism of play style” and worth a suspension.

I was suspended a few weeks ago for 3 days. My offense? During one of the raids, I asked in chat, “does anyone not know the mechanics? You have to actually stand in the circles and save the LB for the end.” That was my only message.

I was then told I’d be suspended for offending another persons play style. I said I only gave advice after confirming that raid was indeed the reason I was getting suspended.

I was told by the GM, “even advice violates our TOS if another play feels uncomfortable.”

It was unbelievable. I screenshot it and showed my wife. I literally do not use chat at all anymore for fear of it happening again. I ignored everyone and everything.

I read somewhere that streamer has been provoked by that guy, who was the first person who started all the fuss harassing tanks in team for poor performance and he done that in agressive manner.

Cant tell 100% because i have not seen the video.

A FC friend saw the video and confirm me the BLM was complaining about the streamer gameplay too. And that can lead you to think the whole situation was premeditated. If he was seeing the stream he knows how he would react to a BLM doing poor DPS. Not that I condone this actions but I feel he is the one who fell in the BLM trap in the end

[Melichoir]

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Id have to say I need more proof from that reddit post, because other than an overzealous GM, the likelyhood of saying "Use LB at the end of a fight and dont stand in circles" resulting in a suspension comes across as far fetched. Letting my cynicism and skepticism take a stab at that claim, Id say that the poster is downplaying their words to appear more innocent. In my time a this game and on sites, Ive only seen one legit case where that a player was short term suspended for saying something innocuous and was due to a misunderstanding that eventually over turned the suspension. Most times the player is being incredibly abbrasive in chat among other things that results in the suspension. The more 'demure' the story, the more likely Im to disbelieve it unfortunately.

[linay]

I said if they're going to use Twitch videos as evidence now, when they haven't in the past. It should apply to everyone, regardless of their popularity or verification status on Twitch.

Actually, the verification status might be a differentiating factor. It's one thing to take outside evidence from someone else and it's another when it's a self-implicating evidence even if it's from an outside source.

That's why Im more worried about it and mainly din't touch the chat

An example I found in Reddit (Can't verify tho)

I was downvoted to hell when they notified everyone about changing the TOD for harassment a while back. They made the language so vague that even telling someone how to do mechanics could be considered “criticism of play style” and worth a suspension.

I was suspended a few weeks ago for 3 days. My offense? During one of the raids, I asked in chat, “does anyone not know the mechanics? You have to actually stand in the circles and save the LB for the end.” That was my only message.

I was then told I’d be suspended for offending another persons play style. I said I only gave advice after confirming that raid was indeed the reason I was getting suspended.

I was told by the GM, “even advice violates our TOS if another play feels uncomfortable.”

It was unbelievable. I screenshot it and showed my wife. I literally do not use chat at all anymore for fear of it happening again. I ignored everyone and everything.

That would be bad, if true, but like you said, it can't be verified. That said, I don't think it's beneficial to live in fear of what is presumably a fringe case, as that seems a weird example of a violation.

[Kleeya]

A FC friend saw the video and confirm me the BLM was complaining about the streamer gameplay too. And that can lead you to think the whole situation was premeditated. If he was seeing the stream he knows how he would react to a BLM doing poor DPS. Not that I condone this actions but I feel he is the one who fell in the BLM trap in the end

Let's take the conspiracy to the next level : all this is a staged event so that this streamer get free advertisement. You know what they say : it doesn't matter if it is in good or bad, the most important thing is that people are talking about you XD

Joke aside let's have a thought for the people who want SE to add group parsers in the game. Their goal is now even more out of reach with one of their most used argument, "people will not use parsers to bash other players !", looking even less valid now. Especially when the one proving the contrary is a perfect legend title and top streamer, who should know way better than the average player what not to do.

[JBee]

An example I found in Reddit (Can't verify tho)

I was downvoted to hell when they notified everyone about changing the TOD for harassment a while back. They made the language so vague that even telling someone how to do mechanics could be considered “criticism of play style” and worth a suspension.

I was suspended a few weeks ago for 3 days. My offense? During one of the raids, I asked in chat, “does anyone not know the mechanics? You have to actually stand in the circles and save the LB for the end.” That was my only message.

I was then told I’d be suspended for offending another persons play style. I said I only gave advice after confirming that raid was indeed the reason I was getting suspended.

I was told by the GM, “even advice violates our TOS if another play feels uncomfortable.”

It was unbelievable. I screenshot it and showed my wife. I literally do not use chat at all anymore for fear of it happening again. I ignored everyone and everything.

So the reddit user claimed a one sentence explanation of a mechanic resulted in a three day suspension... But hasn't one of the primary complaints been than if you ARE chastised or punished they do not give you details of what you did, to prevent retribution?

So how would that user know that's what it was about?

Chances are, they did something else to warrant it, or it's just made up entirely.

As for the main situation, at first I had a knee jerk reaction of, "Wait, they are punishing people in an MMO for something done on Twitch," and I was a little unhappy with the future implications. Where is the line drawn, etc.

But that's not what happened.

A verified Twitch streamer with a sizeable following and viewership didn't just make an offhand comment about someone... There were zoom ins and effects, etc. It wasn't an upset, offhanded comment, it was a short segment on a live feed publicly doxxing a character in an MMO. And I would bet that character absolutely got tells and PMs and whatever else over it.

And again, this is why there is no in game meter outside of the SSS dummies to test dps and rotations for people who want to improve. While the intentions for it might be good, the few demonstrate the masses can't be trusted with it. I'm not saying it's ok to go into a duty and expect to be carried - regardless of duty - but it's not ok either to publicly blast them like that.

Is it helpful to know in a raid if you have a weak link dps wise so issues can be sorted? Yes, of course it is.

But you don't hammer a nail in with a 747 either.

The community doesn't need toxic elitists any more than it needs people who refuse to participate and expect to be carried.