Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Nedkel]

it was his own stream lol, why you want to protect a harasser so badly?

I am not saying he did not do that, you took my post out of context.
I am arguing against SE using third party evidences to judge players overbreaking the TOs these could be manipulated in evil way to cause a ban of someone innocent.

[Jybril]

Not that I agree with the ban or anything, but:



It's already in the ToS.

Yeah, I was looking to see any changes and was about to update
my previous post about it. They also said this here.
"To keep our players safe, we will continue to keep track of trends both in online games and in the real world, as well as remaining vigilant of the social norms of our time."
Link - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...216f5aef769c60

The thing is with this guy, he had all his info right there so...
I can take the "vent" topic as an example of people talking about their frustrations.
Not once, have I ever seen anyone call out a person by name.

@Nedkel - It'll be tricky to go on about Photo Manipulation yeah but
this wasn't the case here. As said, the guy has his entire info out in public
so it was a no-brainer to knock him down. Unless the dude has an
evil twin somewhere lol.

[Legewiel]

I am not saying he did not do that, you took my post out of context.
I am arguing against SE using third party evidences to judge players overbreaking the TOs these could be manipulated in evil way to cause a ban of someone innocent.

Yes and what i said is that they didn't do that, they got the evidence from his own stream, so it's pretty much a clean evidence against him. It's not a picture that could be photoshoped and then yeah could be a cause to ban an innocent.

[Skivvy]

I am not saying he did not do that, you took my post out of context.
I am arguing against SE using third party evidences to judge players overbreaking the TOs these could be manipulated in evil way to cause a ban of someone innocent.

This isn't simply taking someone's screenshots which can easily be doctored, we're talking about a video from a verified twitch account where they claim responsibility for everything shown on their stream.

[testname]

I agree with SE

Rude/Mean Behavior/Foul Language

You can be mean, and rude to Friends in Your Closed Room/Group, no one cares there

But when You are going out, to Public(aka Stream for everyone), now here You have to be polite

[ForteNightshade]

They should start banning for use of hunt radar, triggers, visual mods that provide combat advantages, automated waymark placement and account piloting? What about uploading logs? You can't argue it falls into what's allowed regarding parsing. That's a lot of people to ban.

You're kind of twisting in the wind here. HyoMin neither said nor insinuated any of this. But rather how inconsistent the moderation has been. It took them 18 months to possibly (we don't know whether they quit or not) a BLM notorious for speed hacking in PvP despite numerous vods of him doing so. There is presently a well known botter on Cactuar who has been caught in several vods. Nothing has ever been done about it. So to make an exception because Arthars said some mean words on Twitch but not go after actual cheaters does set a bad precedence.

Now if this is a step to actually better enforcing their rules, it might be worth something. I highly doubt that will be the case.

[BloodRubyXII]

I don't think in many cases people are taking issue with what he actually got banned for, in terms of being toxic towards another player, it's pretty obvious he was being a massive jerk, that's not really what the problem is for us who seem like we may be "defending" him. The issue is, it's a pick'n'choose case, something SE like to do very much. One day you can do something that should get you permed when reported, but won't, the next day someone else gets reported for telling a player to "stop being bad at the game" and they'll get a two week. Flaming is nothing new to hardcore raid streamers, if you're going to ban Arthars then simply put, you have to ban all of them for the same reason, but they won't. They just chose to make an example out of this singular case as a deterrent, and that's bad. Was a bit like when I got sacked from my job a year ago, I got sacked for crashing a forklift and the tldr of it was, I got made an example of that accidents due to carelessness were no longer a slap on the wrist. No-one had a problem with the fact I had an accident and got sacked, it was more they happened on a daily basis, people had done worse and gotten off with written warnings, so why was my case any different lol (someone chopped someone else's finger off and kept his job).

If I was that sad of a person and pathetic I could pull vods from probably every single popular streamer that uses ACT and has ever trashtalked another player's performance, I would put my house on the fact you wouldn't ban any of them. I'm obviously not going to do this because that's well... pathetic, and no1 likes a grass lol. Let's be honest again - Arthars got hit because there was no way SE could justify to the "victim" that he was still streaming every day after being reported because then he'd KNOW no action was taken and wonder why and they would never be able to explain it (jk "we don't accept 3rd party evidence")

In setting this example, SE breeds the very clique culture that people claim is elitist and not welcome in the game - and that is where if you're new or bad - you will never get anything done in this game because all the half decent players will form their own groups just to get away from you and not get banned.

[Hash_Browns]

Yeah, I was looking to see any changes and was about to update
my previous post about it. They also said this here.
"To keep our players safe, we will continue to keep track of trends both in online games and in the real world, as well as remaining vigilant of the social norms of our time."
Link - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...216f5aef769c60

The thing is with this guy, he had all his info right there so...
I can take the "vent" topic as an example of people talking about their frustrations.
Not once, have I ever seen anyone call out a person by name.

@Nedkel - It'll be tricky to go on about Photo Manipulation yeah but
this wasn't the case here. As said, the guy has his entire info out in public
so it was a no-brainer to knock him down. Unless the dude has an
evil twin somewhere lol.

I believe once the line is being crossed about whether the player knows they are being talked about is honestly the turning point. I can't seem to find any clips of what was going on exactly, all of them have been deleted now - but from what I understand, the BLM in the group was also being an ass, and sassing him a bunch.

BLM was most likely in his stream as well, and when you start doing things like this:


(without the red box, I added that)

You are pretty much asking to be banned by SE.
He also apparently had some sounds that would trigger when the BLM messed up or something, and received donations from viewers also shit talking the blm.

This isn't even the first time he's done something like this, but I assume it's more of a character he plays up.

[goob]

In setting this example, SE breeds the very clique culture that people claim is elitist and not welcome in the game - and that is where if you're new or bad - you will never get anything done in this game because all the half decent players will form their own groups just to get away from you and not get banned.

I still remember in another game when, as a healer who hadn't grouped much, I was told to bring mobs to the tank. The tank did so in a polite manner, not yelling or bashing me for running around with mobs beating on me. I also remember standing in front of a boss, not thinking about my placement, and the tank telling me I should move out of the aoe range. That too was told to me in the same manner.

You can be an "elite hardcore raider," best of the best however "best" is define, top of the charts, yadda yadda yadda, and still not harass other players or even be condescending when pointing out things you think they should be doing or not doing. It's not a fine line between the two.

"From my experience it's better to not stand there as the boss spits out goo and wipes people" - nobody will ever get banned for saying that

versus

"You're a dumbass for standing there. Don't you know how to play this game?"

[Palibun]

The problem is that he broadcasted this players name to his entire audience, which usually creates harassment.

I've smack talk players before, we all have, but i dont go on the fourms broadcasting their names or anything. I laugh with my friends about it then move on.

Did SE overstep boundaries? Perhaps. Did he sorta deserve it? Yeah. If anything it should've been twich who should've suspended him tho, since he was spreading the hate on their platform.