Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[HyoMinPark]

I would say that I am less concerned about “slippery slope” and more concerned about cherry-picking situations for punishment. In other words: punishments still being as thoroughly inconsistent has they have always seemed, but now expanded to include evidence from third-party media...Except when it’s suddenly “too inconvenient” to take into account third-party evidence for specific reports.

[Driavna]

I would say that I am less concerned about “slippery slope” and more concerned about cherry-picking situations for punishment. In other words: punishments still being as thoroughly inconsistent has they have always seemed, but now expanded to include evidence from third-party media...Except when it’s suddenly “too inconvenient” to take into account third-party evidence for specific reports.

Pretty much and bots are a perfect example. Now they opened the door to anyone breaking the TOS, this includes modding, in a third party website can be reported.

Fun times are coming ahead of us since I'm 100% positive that people are going to use this in order to ban others.

Edit: Oh, I also forgot to mention all those FC selling clears for real money using Discord. Not banned because "outisde the game".

[Vnolan]

Pretty much and bots are a perfect example. Now they opened the door to anyone breaking the TOS, this includes modding, in a third party website can be reported.

Fun times are coming ahead of us since I'm 100% positive that people are going to use this in order to ban others.

Naming a player and shaming their damage on a stream vs visual mods. Will these bans for modding be coming before or after the bans associated with the most recent revision to the ToS?

Edit: Oh, I also forgot to mention all those FC selling clears for real money using Discord. Not banned because "outisde the game".

That's never been stated as the reason they haven't been banned and it will never be, as that would legalize RMT. In fact, SE has never mentioned the PF sales in any capacity.

If you are going to enforce the TOS outside the game you do it for all cases.

Their product and their rules. They can decide which rules they want to enforce and when.

Like with the people selling clears or confessing having bots but since the conversation was on Discord can't be used as valid proof because "third party program"?

STF deals with bots, RMT and third-party programs:

Report a case to the Special Task Force
"You can contact the Special Task Force (STF) to report illegal activity within FINAL FANTASY XIV (such as the use of third-party software or the use of RMT* to sell game data).
The Special Task Force exists for the purpose of dealing with illegal activity in FINAL FANTASY XIV while creating an honest and enjoyable gameplay environment."

If you select "Report use of third-party software", the form you receive has a field to input a URL.

but they need to be consistent with this stuff and also start taking other forms of screenshot/video evidence as proof (I'm not going to go into screenshot/video forgery), as well as finally get crack down on Discord RMT advertisements in PF.

Why? They haven't been consistent before and most didn't have any problems.

just the usual "consume, dont ask" mentality.

Had you asked for a link to the ToS or forum rules, you'd see that use of profanity, being critical of SE and speaking negatively about specific people (the streamer) aren't allowed.

[Tomoebi]

Why? They haven't been consistent before and most didn't have any problems.

bruh momentum

[Driavna]

bruh momentum

Yeah. Recurrent topic from time to time.

[Tomoebi]

Yeah. Recurrent topic from time to time.

yeah, if only someone in the forum ask squeenix to be consistent...
oh wait...

[HyoMinPark]

Their product and their rules. They can decide which rules they want to enforce and when.

Not going to comment on the rest of your post, but this is particularly bad on SE’s part to do (really, this extends to any company with terms of service). They have been repeatedly condemned on various platforms by a multitude of individuals in the past for their inconsistency with rule enforcement and punishment in this game (be it in-game enforcement or enforcement on official platforms such as these forums). Continuing to build their moderation on this cherry-picking mentality by now taking into account third-party evidence only when it’s suddenly convenient to do so—or only when they want to—is only going to be detrimental to them.

While this may be their playground, arbitrary and/or inconsistent rule enforcement is never met with positive reactions from people in the playground. And it honestly should not be a mentality anyone enforces. I’d rather see people advocating for fairer and more consistent moderation as opposed to supporting this. Again, this goes for any company; not just SE.

[Vnolan]

Not going to comment on the rest of your post, but this is particularly bad on SE’s part to do (really, this extends to any company with terms of service).

How? Are they going to lose subs as a result?

They have been repeatedly condemned on various platforms by a multitude of individuals in the past for their inconsistency with rule enforcement and punishment in this game (be it in-game enforcement or enforcement on official platforms such as these forums).

How many players have canceled their sub because SE does not enforce their ToS? The argument could be made they get more subs from allowing players to use bots and sell content for money.

Continuing to build their moderation on this cherry-picking mentality by now taking into account third-party evidence only when it’s suddenly convenient to do so—or only when they want to—is only going to be detrimental to them.

Only if they were to go after parsing, which they won't given how many use it and the current rules around it.

While this may be their playground, arbitrary and/or inconsistent rule enforcement is never met with positive reactions from people in the playground.

Doesn't mean anything if they stay subbed.

And it honestly should not be a mentality anyone enforces. I’d rather see people advocating for fairer and more consistent moderation as opposed to supporting this. Again, this goes for any company; not just SE.

They should start banning for use of hunt radar, triggers, visual mods that provide combat advantages, automated waymark placement and account piloting? What about uploading logs? You can't argue it falls into what's allowed regarding parsing. That's a lot of people to ban.

On the side note this opens a really nasty doors for potential future abusements.

How are trolls going to tie it to the owner's official streaming account?

[ForteNightshade]

They should start banning for use of hunt radar, triggers, visual mods that provide combat advantages, automated waymark placement and account piloting? What about uploading logs? You can't argue it falls into what's allowed regarding parsing. That's a lot of people to ban.

You're kind of twisting in the wind here. HyoMin neither said nor insinuated any of this. But rather how inconsistent the moderation has been. It took them 18 months to possibly (we don't know whether they quit or not) a BLM notorious for speed hacking in PvP despite numerous vods of him doing so. There is presently a well known botter on Cactuar who has been caught in several vods. Nothing has ever been done about it. So to make an exception because Arthars said some mean words on Twitch but not go after actual cheaters does set a bad precedence.

Now if this is a step to actually better enforcing their rules, it might be worth something. I highly doubt that will be the case.

[HyoMinPark]

How? Are they going to lose subs as a result?

Because you shouldn’t arbitrarily decide when to enforce rules and when not to. It leads to inconsistency in moderation, and I know you’ve been around long enough to know how people feel about that. Just because they’re still subscribed doesn’t mean it’s an okay thing to do, and it doesn’t mean that people are okay with it.

How many players have canceled their sub because SE does not enforce their ToS? The argument could be made they get more subs from allowing players to use bots and sell content for money.

It doesn’t matter if players are still subscribed or not. It’s the principle of the matter and the possibility of bad press as a result. These forums are a good example of how inconsistent and bad moderation has earned them a not-so-favorable reputation with a portion of the playerbase. The bad press surrounding them and previous bans is what caused the moderation team to set up a “ban appeal system”. Sadly, the system is pretty much a flimsy attempt to save face. It hasn’t reversed any previous ban—no matter how silly—to my knowledge.

Only if they were to go after parsing, which they won't given how many use it and the current rules around it.

I wasn’t talking about going after parsing? I was talking about cherry-picking moderation and how that can hurt the reputation of the game. Where are you coming up with these statements?

Doesn't mean anything if they stay subbed.

I disagree. It can still very well hurt the reputation of the game and the company. Using this as a defense of poor practice is as concerning as your statement appearing to support SE enforcing their rules whenever it’s deemed convenient for them. That’s not how rules should be enforced.

They should start banning for use of hunt radar, triggers, visual mods that provide combat advantages, automated waymark placement and account piloting? What about uploading logs? You can't argue it falls into what's allowed regarding parsing. That's a lot of people to ban.

Where on earth was I talking about any of this? My entire post was dealing with my concern over your statement (“SE’s game, SE’s rules; they can enforce them whenever they want”) being problematic because inconsistency in punishment and moderation is problematic. Did you actually read what I wrote, or are you too busy coming up with illogical responses to do that?