Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Risvertasashi]

So, let's look at what he did.

- Talked a lot of crap about a player in his party
- Enlarged the parse screen
- Used special sound effects and animations to draw even more attention to the "bad player"
- Showed their name in the clear; no attempt to obfuscate their identity.

If we're now in an era where SE takes action on this kind of evidence (And really, SE is behind, because most other operators of online games already do), I'm perfectly OK with SE suspending someone like this.

I also reported that streamer to twitch, since I'm pretty sure his actions violate their ToS too.

Now let's say the streamer could now indeed be banned for what they do outside of the game (but is one-time criticism really harassment, especially when there is zero direct interaction between players?). What happens now?

Streamers/youtubers/etc have a lot of power to start witch hunts. Not only did he show that player's name, he made it even bigger and more prominent on his stream.

[MOZZYSTAR]

So, let's look at what he did.

- Talked a lot of crap about a player in his party
- Enlarged the parse screen
- Used special sound effects and animations to draw even more attention to the "bad player"
- Showed their name in the clear; no attempt to obfuscate their identity.

If we're now in an era where SE takes action on this kind of evidence (And really, SE is behind, because most other operators of online games already do), I'm perfectly OK with SE suspending someone like this.

I also reported that streamer to twitch, since I'm pretty sure his actions violate their ToS too.

Streamers/youtubers/etc have a lot of power to start witch hunts. Not only did he show that player's name, he made it even bigger and more prominent on his stream.

Fully backing this ^ Under no circumstances should harassment, witch hunting, hazing, or any other "abusive"/bullying behaviour should be allowed ever, period. Whatever they didn't see in the stream, I'm sure they had proof of in the chat logs themselves, and possibly witnesses (or report(s) by other people). It's basically conjecture, so there's no use arguing about it. But the GMs do investigate these sorts of things, and if they find substantial enough evidence to enforce ToS/rules for the safety of the gaming environment they should act. Heaven forbid they do their job to keep the rest of us players safe, right? Honestly, I think that streamer was downright lucky that he only got a ten day suspension and not an outright ban with that sort of evidence. Practically a slap on the wrist and a short groundation period. (I know there's a system of marks, but I think that one act alone was bad enough to probably warrant a ban, imo.) Sure, some times mistakes happen, but I don't think this suspension was a mistake.

To be frank, I think it makes people who defend bullies(?) against punishment fairly questionable. If it were me watching that twitch when it happened, I would have unsubbed, grab the link, and reported it to SE immediately.

[Melichoir]

So, let's look at what he did.

- Talked a lot of crap about a player in his party
- Enlarged the parse screen
- Used special sound effects and animations to draw even more attention to the "bad player"
- Showed their name in the clear; no attempt to obfuscate their identity.

If these were happening in the video, then I think punishment was justified. We can split gray hairs cause there is nuance to the situation. If he purposefully made a stream or video to crap on someone and didnt even bother to hide the name, thats a step to far and is I think within SE's right to go after said player cause its part of the SE platform. If it was him talking about bad players and parses, and didnt use any specific information or made it as a general video to talk about bad play or other mishaps or even vent a bit (again without doing specifics to a player) then thats fine. It's the act of purposefully singling out a person with specific information thats an issue.

We also need to stop protecting and treating streamers like theyre some journalist, comedian, or otherwise. Theyre not. If youre a streamer and youre being a donkey to someone for the sheer reason to be a donkey and mean, that shouldnt get people going out there and sticking up for the guy and treating SE like theyre the bad guy. Just cause you stream doesnt give you carte blanche to crap on other people and not have some kind of pushback or reprimand for it. If you want to have running commentary or have off hand commentaries, thats plenty fine as long as private player IDs are being masked. Remember, that person theyre streaming isnt a public person. That person could be the worlds biggest butt, but that doesnt make it right for a streamer to use their reach and single them out with the intent and purpose to get them publicly shamed and lynched by their followers, even if its off platform. Even if that isnt the intent, streamers should full well know by now that they cannot control their base and that creating hyperbolic videos that selectively go after someone privately is gonna be an issue.

If this other player was another streamer with their own following and put themselves out there, thats fair game then, even if it may be still somewhat jerkish to go after them.

[MitsukiKimura]

So, let's look at what he did.

- Talked a lot of crap about a player in his party
- Enlarged the parse screen
- Used special sound effects and animations to draw even more attention to the "bad player"
- Showed their name in the clear; no attempt to obfuscate their identity.

If we're now in an era where SE takes action on this kind of evidence (And really, SE is behind, because most other operators of online games already do), I'm perfectly OK with SE suspending someone like this.

I also reported that streamer to twitch, since I'm pretty sure his actions violate their ToS too.



Streamers/youtubers/etc have a lot of power to start witch hunts. Not only did he show that player's name, he made it even bigger and more prominent on his stream.

Pretty much this^ If you're going to be toxic then reap the consequences, especially if you're going to be using third party software to do it with.