Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[QT_Melon]

People pretty much never sell clears for gil with how easily it's obtained.

The reason they conduct transactions outside of the game is specifically because real money is involved, though it's unlikely SE can actually do anything about them because they won't leave any information on Discord that proves without doubt that the contact is the same person with the ad listed in PF and they won't reveal who the ones doing the clears are until a transaction is actually made.

Okay so this again falls back to point one of my post you're quoting from. VERIFIED TWITCH account is the key here.

[Melichoir]

Where does that stop, though? If I post a comment in an obscure board related to FFXIV, when is the GM (and I'm not gonna do the joke I originally intended - something along the lines of "gesta-") police coming for me? They said time and time again that only InGame sources are reliable and now what? Guess it was a flat out lie all this time. Nice one. Way to go for players to trust anything the company has ever said and will ever say.

This is the ridiculous "what ifs" Im talking about. Its quite literally a "Will I get banned if I post a small post on a forum that only gets like 10 people who visit it per year!? " This isnt a plausible scenario or reason that you will be suspended/banned. This is looking for an extreme example and then holding it up to demonstrate that SE has gone to far with dealign with Arthars situation. Common sense would clearly suggest that unless you made active efforts to coordinate harassment towards another player in game, your comment on a small time obscure board isnt gonna get you that ban.

I feel like youre fairly smart, so Im gonna say that youre giving out this example as a bad faith attempt to get on SE's case over this issue rather than really discussing whats warranted or not. You couldve been more genuine and suggest "If Im annoyed at a player and post 'Man, Mr Biggles annoys me. Just wish they would play better!' on reddit, will that get me banned?" instead of ridiculous statements.

Regarding that, if its an off hand comment in a small thread and contextually innocuous, Im skeptical its gonna land you a suspension. The issue is the intent of the posting and the context of issue. A small post isnt gonna warrant reprimand unless the intended goal is to create harassment for the player. This is why a post on reddit saying "Xenosys Vex is a jerkface!" isnt gonna get a ban because its an off hand comment about a public person. People are gonna be like "Yeah he sucks," or "nah hes cool," and thats it. If its a post about a nobody, people are gonna be like "Huh? Who the hell is that?/ Why should I care?" Compare that what Arthars did - Publicly name and shame a private player on a live broadcast, making sure the player's name was 'front and center' for his audience to see with what is likely the intent to defame or cause issues for that player in game. There is specific differences between off hand comments and what not.

Lets not act like common sense doesnt exist. Were not 5 years old here where everything has to be spelled out. Cause man, if that's what people want, people gonna regret that desire real quick if SE enacts it.

[goob]

Those of you who are still trying to find out exactly how far you can go with inappropriate jokes and insults without getting banned are never going to get an answer. Never. You are better off keeping quiet with your bashing of players. It's not that hard. Some of you are spending an insane amount of time trying to figure out how far you can go with trash talking other players while still maintaining access to your account. I've played a lot of online games and I've never seen people so obsessed with badmouthing other players' skills as I have here in this community. It's mind-boggling and sad at the same time.

[Angus-Beef]

Those of you who are still trying to find out exactly how far you can go with inappropriate jokes and insults without getting banned are never going to get an answer. Never. You are better off keeping quiet with your bashing of players. It's not that hard. Some of you are spending an insane amount of time trying to figure out how far you can go with trash talking other players while still maintaining access to your account. I've played a lot of online games and I've never seen people so obsessed with badmouthing other players' skills as I have here in this community. It's mind-boggling and sad at the same time.

Odd, I've seen the opposite, and I play a bunch of MMOs

[KageTokage]

Those of you who are still trying to find out exactly how far you can go with inappropriate jokes and insults without getting banned are never going to get an answer. Never. You are better off keeping quiet with your bashing of players. It's not that hard. Some of you are spending an insane amount of time trying to figure out how far you can go with trash talking other players while still maintaining access to your account. I've played a lot of online games and I've never seen people so obsessed with badmouthing other players' skills as I have here in this community. It's mind-boggling and sad at the same time.

What I'm genuinely curious about is whether SE is just going to look the other way when it comes to ToS violating activities being visibly performed on stream as long as no trash-talking or other social violations are involved.

There have been instances of people visibly leaving botting software running while they were streaming, for example. Of particular note is a certain "utility" program that carries out several functions including sniffing the locations of S ranks along with botting and there's no small number of users of it judging from how often S rank hunts get instantly relayed to the associated Discord server because of it...

[Iscah]

What I'm genuinely curious about is whether SE is just going to look the other way when it comes to ToS violating activities being visibly performed on stream as long as no trash-talking or other social violations are involved.

I don't get the big deal about this element of it.

They've had a long-term policy of turning a blind eye to parsers.

Now someone has been banned for harassment that incidentally involved a parser.

Why do people see this as a sign of SE being inconsistent if they continue to turn a blind eye to parsers in a non-harassing context?

If it was the other way around - if harassment via YouTube happened regularly and was not moderated, but suddenly they came down heavily on one person who focused on a parser for (let's say) remarking how well a party member had played - that would make sense for people to start asking whether SE is going to be consistent about enforcing the rules on YouTube videos now. But when they chose to moderate something actually harmful and people start asking "so are they going to start showing consistency and modding the non-harmful things people do as well"... I don't get it.

The situations weren't comparable to start with, besides that both involve parsers (which is not what the ban was directly about).

[Angus-Beef]

For anyone really curious I say just watch frosty TV, stream about everything, Arthars clears up what happens. Why he got banned and how his ban was the result of a long standing problem.

The Tldr, he was the last straw to break the camels back in a long standing situation with that BLM, people on jp already blisted him and were treating him like crap. Queue Arthars being Arthars, he memes on this person, SE decided to take action after jp blogs made a huge stink about it for 2weeks and he got suspended.

Now you may be wondering how does this matter its not the main point. Well I'm getting to that.

JPs, twitch alternative nico nico deals with SE banning people for stream based evidence regularly, such as polls to decide if they wanna kick a bad player or not and shit talking them in chat afterwards. So technically this ain't the first time they've used stream evidence, it's the first time they've used an NA streamers stream for evidence.

Moral of the story, (insert your own here because it's all subjective)

[CrystalRainbow]

People who think se has over reached because of using 3rd party websites. This isn't new.
The community group reads posts on 3rd party sites for an idea of what the community is doing / saying. Ideas post on 3rd party websites have been added to the game or removed. This is just an extension of that.

[SpecialTaskForce]

FFXIV is one of the most bot friendly gathering, auto market board undercutting, and crafting mmorpg out there with a big healthy gil selling community. You can sell gil for years and not get banned bruh but they punish a poor streamer just for teasing????

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

FFXIV is one of the most bot friendly gathering, auto market board undercutting, and crafting mmorpg out there with a big healthy gil selling community. You can sell gil for years and not get banned bruh but they punish a poor streamer just for teasing????

Are you admitting to botting and selling Gil?