Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
Nope. You don't expect *anything* with DF. Don't expect casual slow runs or speed runs, you take what you're given and you pre form if you want something specific.
....which is why I talk about evaluating what you have in your group. Not just the healers, but the DPS as well.

Pulling 2 groups at the start should give you a good idea if the healers AND the DPS know what they're doing, because the mob pack should die fast, healer should be throwing DPS spells, and if neither of those two things are happening, chances are, 3 group pulls are a very bad idea. If the mobs are dying too slow, the healer, regardless of how good they are, might run out of resources. If the healer is not throwing DPS, they are likely struggling with 2 group pulls or they don't feel comfortable with their job for whatever reason (being rusty, being new, just not meshing well with the playstyle).

This isn't about who is a "scrub" or who is "terrible" but rather making sure the entire group gets through the dungeon with as little death as possible.

I really don't understand why this is such a bad concept.