SMN changed to full trance + demi summons when

[Siete]

Just got firebird trance. The class keeps getting weirder and weirder
Keeping up Dots barely make sense, I am now just a trance swinger and I don't even have the phoenix summon yet

[Razard]

Just got firebird trance. The class keeps getting weirder and weirder
Keeping up Dots barely make sense, I am now just a trance swinger and I don't even have the phoenix summon yet

Never

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[Siete]

Never

/endtopic

Jokes' on you, it already is.

[Dracan_Fontom]

Not if you want good dps.

[Silverquick]

They are really wierd, and out of order too.

The normal Deathflare is usually used in AoE on trash mobs and such. The Bahamut Trance/Demi is better on Single target because of the Wyrmwave + Ruin combo... so for Boss Mobs. The Phoenix trance that comes last is almost entirely AoE... or rather the best parts of it are... so Trash mobs and adds.

That would be ok EXCEPT... the normal encounter scheme in almost all instances short of 8 mans is...

Trash mobs... more Trash Mobs... then Boss Mobs...

But the Trances are out of order...

Deathflare (AoE)... Bahamut Demi + Wyrmwave (mostly single target)... Phoenix Trance (AoE multi target).. and you can't change the order you do them in.

[Neela]

you got more than enough aoe skills in between... titans aoe, ruda in general, hyper buffed bane in combination with Tri as well painflare for aether stacks. I remember the name... Silver... didn't u try to recommend people to push mp back in HW for more "out of trance ruin 3s?" - if I remember correctly you didn't understood SMN in HW... nor does your comment conclude that you understand SMN in ShB : /

[Silverquick]

Its actually the opposite Neela, the tactics I used to push for AoE damage in HW here were so nasty its likely why it got nerfed so bad in Stormblood because so many people started to use them.

I think you may have it confused with the fact I pushed people to use Ruin 3 outside of Trance as the later stages of HW due to gear, you had so much MP and all your other attacks were generally Aetherflow abilities that you never spent enough MP on anything else to ever use it.

So you could Ruin 3 without penalty even though it was mana costly... resulting in a large single target damage boost to the SMN the Devs hadn't accounted for. They hadn't intended it to be used outside of trance.

Also possibly why Ruin 3's damage got nerfed at the outset of Stormblood because other people probably figured that out too.

[Neela]

Don’t spread false news again - it was me who told you that smn use R3 out of Trance to optimise Dmg. But dw worry im done with discussions like that. And people who talk bout things they do not understand as well. ^^

[Silverquick]

Don’t spread false news again - it was me who told you that smn use R3 out of Trance to optimise Dmg. But dw worry im done with discussions like that. And people who talk bout things they do not understand as well. ^^

What? Didn't you JUST the post above say this to me...

Neela: Silver... didn't u try to recommend people to push mp back in HW for more "out of trance ruin 3s?" - if I remember correctly you didn't understood SMN in HW"

Silverquick: Ummm yeah that was me, and it may be what got it nerfed so bad in Stormblood

Neela: Don’t spread false news again - it was me who told you that smn use R3 out of Trance to optimise Dmg.

Silverquick: Huh?

[Neela]

"because other people probably figured that out too." - the fun part is you was one of the last guys who noticed the "how to" after several discussions and the reason why to use R3 out of trance by me. but u didn't get the theorycrafters idea cause u spread a build with stating mp "to outdps" balance builds lol... - now u play the "it was my founding" card - like back than. its just lovely to see that you are just as clueless about the cls as 2 years ago and still think you got some cls wisdom, which u actually still lack in. enough said - far well.