I'm not excited about the future patch at all. Just one dungeon?

[Zakon]

Belfs have more lore than two FFXIV expansions.

Quality over quantity. This game's story is solid, Warcraft's story has always been passable at best. It peaked in Warcraft III where it was just good and went hard downhill from there.

Whatever your opinion of FFXIV's story, it's almost objective that it's better told and better quality than what WoW has been doing lately.

[Omymy]

You didn't make a single argument other then "This is better because I say so"
So yeah, you just want attention. The Cliche is fact. And Im bored of it, Ill respond to you again when you say something worth responding to. o7

When your races lore have less than 20 lines of text, thats dogs---. Its a fact for people without the fanboy t-shirt.

But kay, dude, its a trolling tool. Have fun in Wonderland.

Quality over quantity. This game's story is solid, Warcraft's story has always been passable at best. It peaked in Warcraft III where it was just good and went hard downhill from there.

Whatever your opinion of FFXIV's story, it's almost objective that it's better told and better quality than what WoW has been doing lately.

FFXIV's story its a nonstop deus ex machina, seems like a cheap anime.

[Vahlnir]

Quality over quantity. This game's story is solid, Warcraft's story has always been passable at best. It peaked in Warcraft III where it was just good and went hard downhill from there.

Whatever your opinion of FFXIV's story, it's almost objective that it's better told and better quality than what WoW has been doing lately.

Lately? Yes. But as you have pointed out already that wasn't always the case. It stayed pretty solid for awhile in WoW long after WC 3. Up until Shadowbringers, I didn't really like the story much in FF XIV. But I also didn't like being lost so I kept up on it. ARR was honestly kinda bad after the initial launch story wise. HW's story was pretty decent but sorta just...died after completing the launch stuff. Stormblood? "lol" is all I can really say. The best part of Stormblood was toward the end when they started the build up for Shadowbringers. Then Shadowbringers was actually really solid from start to finish. I just hope the game's story continues to be at least half as good through the rest of this expansion. Obviously all of this is just my opinion though.

[Angus-Beef]

Quality over quantity. This game's story is solid, Warcraft's story has always been passable at best. It peaked in Warcraft III where it was just good and went hard downhill from there.

Whatever your opinion of FFXIV's story, it's almost objective that it's better told and better quality than what WoW has been doing lately.

Or the fact that FF is creating lore as the game goes, vs WoW which had at least 5 years worth of pre-existing lore to build off of. Kinda can't compare.

[Omymy]

Pray return to the waking sands its the pinnacle of storytelling. That and the 2k futile and boring quests of 2.1-2.55 of course.

[Angus-Beef]

When your races lore have less than 20 lines of text, thats dogs---. Its a fact for people without the fanboy t-shirt.

But kay, dude, its a trolling tool. Have fun in Wonderland.



FFXIV's story its a nonstop deus ex machina, seems like a cheap anime.

As someone whos played WoW since Vanilla and loved the series up until now, I can say WoW hasn't done anything with the race lore until Legion and BFA and it was mediocre at best. While FF could do more, its better then constant retcons and information meaning nothing and the writers/devs ignoring things and removing it 2 expansions later.

That being said Idk why you're here looking for WoW-ish content, in a game thats generally speaking, very very different.

As far as mythic+ , I would say hard pass, scaling keys would be annoying in FF.

[Omymy]

As someone whos played WoW since Vanilla and loved the series up until now, I can say WoW hasn't done anything with the race lore until Legion and BFA and it was mediocre at best. While FF could do more, its better then constant retcons and information meaning nothing and the writers/devs ignoring things and removing it 2 expansions later.

That being said Idk why you're here looking for WoW-ish content, in a game thats generally speaking, very very different.

As far as mythic+ , I would say hard pass, scaling keys would be annoying in FF.

Not having a proper end-content sounds far better. Well, you can always press the macro button to craft while watching Netflix... top quality.

[Sloprano]

I'm not particularly worried about the amount of dungeons my grief is with the core functionality and fun of jobs like Scholar have been nothing short of regressing since end of Heavensward. If just the act of starting a fight is good then I can take any scripted and gated dungeon any day, rewards is then just a bonus if I get to bring a fun job into the place.

So if I got this right going over the summaries. They spent several minutes at the start of these prestige Live Letters, filling paragrpahs, on the intrcacies and technical background on rendering of the glute glam and they cant be even be half-assed to spare one breath to utter "we ll look into it" on the endless issues with Scholars moment to moment encounter design. Who the hell passes on these status notes to the devs? Is it some executive order caused by space rays: "Ignore any and all requests to not make these jobs an absolute drudge to play." Every oppertunity has been there to mention the thousands of posts since 5.0 to say anything and they pull no particular "job adjustments". This particular fecal matter is not something solved with potency changes, this needs saws, welders and duct tape.

Did any living person at SE try any MSQ or solo quest with Scholar since 5.0? Or play the job at all? How the bell can they be cool with this and still not say a single word. What if they announced BLM next patch only had Fire IV 2.5 cast and Lightning 30s dot, nothing more at 80. Or PLD had Holy Spirit, TE and Goring Blade. No combos, no LeyLines or Enochan, no FoF or Requestacat for eighty soddin levels. Of course that wouldnt fly. Itd be fucking boring. Which is what nobody gets, for all jobs except three. So why are jobs like Sch, whm and asts requests for more varied offense and playstyle or when asked to be restored to glory, or simply ask to be acknowledged handwaved and ignored. Being so far up butts, their own and 2P's, they dont even have decency to give a canned "Nothing planned for now, please understand." If these jobs did something or talked smack while drunk then SE please say what needs to be done to win your frienship again because you treating as we're invisible and you are being unrational and cuely silent.

[Zakon]

FFXIV's story its a nonstop deus ex machina, seems like a cheap anime.

I don't think you know what that means.

Lately? Yes. But as you have pointed out already that wasn't always the case. It stayed pretty solid for awhile in WoW long after WC 3.

No I would say it was pretty much immediate.

The Horde allying with cannibalistic undead is the first time I was like "oh no" and that got announced before the game was even in beta. It gets worse when you consider they were the exact same humans who used to enslave them and then they're angry at the Stormwind humans who had nothing to do with that. You can handwave it as a lot of the Horde finding it questionable as well, but at the end of the day it was just the first example of WoW's continuity taking a backseat to gameplay concessions, since they wanted one of the four main races from WC3 to be represented somehow and they wanted orc vs human racial tensions.

Why were we fighting Illidan in TBC again? Why did the Argent Crusade decide to set up shop on Arthas's doorstep and make a big tournament where their allies kill each other and then were shocked when both of those things turned out badly?

Shame about Mists of Pandaria, though. The pandaren and sha lore was really creative and a huge breath of fresh air, but it took a backseat to everyone being surprised when the warmonger Thrall installed on the throne started causing wars.

[Angus-Beef]

Not having a proper end-content sounds far better. Well, you can always press the macro button to craft while watching Netflix... top quality.

I mean from a Mythic Raider all of BFA into Savage and Ultimate in FF I have proper Endgame content, I can't speak for the casuals in the rest of both playerbases.

As for crafting lets talk about FF requiring you to lvl, understand how to increase quality and and being competent enough to make the macro, vs WoW gutting their Crafting system into not being able to sell anything usefull you make, taking away player agency, completely destroying the games economy and making it impossible to make gold with crafting if ur not an alchemist or cook, and even then, the world PvP system which makes you HAVE to keep it on making it damn near impossible to gather without getting PK'd.

again why are you here, when you love WoW so much.