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  1. #51
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    and that's it - i really don't think the devs don't want to change hunts no matter how many ppl complain about it.
    They may not want to but they need to.

    Dedicated cross world spawning linkshells/Discords plus current third party automated tracking and detection relay tools plus level 80 burst damage have significantly changed how the player community hunts. The content has broken down when lack of a third party tool that breaks the ToS means there's a significant chance you won't get to participate in the kill even if you were the one intentionally doing the work needed for the spawn to happen.

    I find it hard to believe that SE can be satisfied with the way things are.

    SE either needs to incorporate the third party tools into the game so no one who prefers to honor the TOS is at a major disadvantage compared to those who prefer to violate it, or they need to change the content design so the advantage of having those tools is significantly reduced if not eliminated

    Give S ranks a 3 minute invulnerability debuff. That gives a spawning party enough time to manually scan a zone for the S rank and travel to its location so they get a chance to kill it alongside the third party tool users who knew exactly where to go the instant it spawned because their tool already knew the location.

    Change S ranks so instead of reserving their next spawn location when killed, they will randomly spawn at one of the unoccupied spawn points when all conditions (including the hidden timer) are met then prevent the S rank from being detected from a greater than normal distance. That way the third party tools can't determine the location in advance and their users will be forced to do some actual hunting for a change if they want to kill it before others can arrive.

    Reduce the damage being dealt to lower level marks by higher level players in some fashion so at least the S ranks require a little bit of time commitment to kill instead of getting smashed in the space of 2 GCDs. I've posted one idea above; I'm sure there are other ways to get a similar result without having to resort to a level sync.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 06-13-2020 at 08:27 AM.

  2. #52
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    Minah Denma
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    I think too many people think everyone needs to be given enough time to get to the hunt. People need to understand that this is not the case and that no one is entitled to the hunt. Not even the spawner, actually. In my opinion, some posts read that simply "fairness for all" is used as an excuse to get more hunts. Regardless of the hunts hit points. No one has to be fair when it comes to hunts (as long as he/she isn't using third party tools), since nobody is entitled to get a hunt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    It's a shame, because The Hunt used to be a big part of the game for some players, but with cross-world destroying that server community feeling and older S ranks no longer being worth it, it's become a much watered down version of what we used to have. HW/SB hunts were the best social experience I've had in this game. We get more tomes than ever now, but it's just yet another case of ripping something fun away from long term players and trying to give it to everyone, similar to crafting, gathering, EX trials, tanks, healers and so on.
    So was for me. I spent a lot of time of the day for hunting but cross-world destroyed the hunting for me completely. It isn't because of the older hunts dying faster. The feeling of hunting is completely different now for me. And the type of nowadays hunt trains doesn't make it any better for me. Back in HW and SB you could shout an A rank at almost any time and there would be at least come enough people to kill it. Nowadays a ShB A rank can be shouted several times along many hours and no one would come because there is no hunt train going on, at least on my server. I guess I have to accept that the targeted audience for hunts is changing and I'm no longer part of it. I wouldn't even participate in doing S ranks now when one is shoutet in the area I'm actually in.

    Just my opinion and a bit of a rant.
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    Last edited by ACE135; 06-17-2020 at 09:04 AM.

  3. #53
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Honestly, the rewards for the ARR S ranks are disproportionately high for how little time it takes to kill them. ARR S ranks are more valuable then HW/SB ones now that allied seals can be traded in for relevant materia plus they give the same amount of poetics/phantasmagoria to boot.

    As previously mentioned, I feel like if they're going to continue to push relevance of older hunts, they should update them accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by ACE135 View Post
    No one has to be fair when it comes to hunts (as long as he/she isn't using third party tools), since nobody is entitled to get a hunt.
    This is honestly one of the biggest reasons why I think some things have to change, because damned near every bot in the game these days has a built-in hunt radar that automatically relays S rank coordinates to a public discord server, and with how regularly people are leveling and/or gathering with DoL classes in the ARR areas using such it's a rather common occurrence.

    It takes the "hunt" out of hunting, but if you want a fair chance at getting to the hunt before a bunch of randoms who likely aren't even from your server start attacking it, you have to bite the bullet and rely on the information being gathered by the bots.

    A simple way to mitigate this would be to stop giving the S ranks infinite draw distance because the third party programs have been abusing this fact since the 2.x days to instantly locate them.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 06-17-2020 at 01:57 PM.

  4. #54
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    Bump for relevance.

    With so many active players, snipings are admittedly a very rare occurrence at this point at time.

    Still, even with this especially busy period a few S ranks have slipped under the radar and it's frustrating.
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    Bumpity bump
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo View Post
    You might wanna go to the Q&A thing for the upcoming Live Letter. I FEEL like this might be a UI thing? Seems like its in the realm.
    Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
    Unfortunately, I seemed to have missed the boat by a longshot.

    I'll pay closer attention to live Live Letters in the future so I may at least try to bring up the issue directly to SE's attention.
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  9. 11-10-2020 01:18 PM

  10. #58
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    Cross Data Center Hunts would make such a feature more invaluable than ever
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    Bump Bumpity Bump
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    Hunts are already battery farmed by a small cabal of people as it is. A group killing it before you get the chance to isn’t “stealth killing” or stealing it. They just beat you to it.
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