You have to remember that regardless as to if you've done alex or not, alexander himself is still a part of the terrain in dravania - Ironworks could of simply copied him with help from goblins. No data from omega was used.
Originally Posted by Avidria
Also yes, Crystal tower raids were brought in to canon with shb's release, evident by the fact that an up until that point minor NPC became a major story NPC for the games third and arguably most successful and funded expansion. Once again, dialogue changes as to if you've done crystal tower or not before shadowbringers. Its canon.
And no, the first IS a parallel dimension of sorts - Eulmore is Limsa, Lakeland is mor dhona etc etc. The methods to which how the crystal tower was summoned to the first are very vague, but it was hinted it was magic, not magitech.
How does that prove the omega RAIDS was canon? Omega was activated and used in the MSQ - Ofcource they'd know some of the tech behind it...And where does omega narrate that? The Small omega "OMG" Minion/The one that follows Alpha is NOT omega, not the true omega anyway, that was made clear at the end of the omega raids, it was simply omegas memories, not its consciousness - We KILL omega at the end of the raid.
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12-14-2019 03:42 PM #1Player
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Omega plants its memories into the OMG toy so as to learn what it was lacking, and how lowly humans were able to defeat it, and what it means to have a soul.
We do not /kill/ Omega. We /defeat/ Omega. Big difference.(13)
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There's also the bit with Midgardsormr in the Omega storyline which explains why Middy is "crossed out" of MSQ for a bit as he crossed the Rift to help us.
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OMG is indeed part of the whole Garlond story leading to Shadowbringers being possible.
And for Alexander, well the Twinning shows Alexander Prime which is not the first form of Alexander we met, we had the whole Father and Son arms to conquer before being abel to access this area. It's not possible that Garlond could have gathered data on Alexander with Goblin help when without our help, the evil Goblins would still rule Alexander (and have rewritten history too, I guess).(8)
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12-14-2019 08:16 PM #4Player
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Indeed. We have to remember that Omega is a machine. Advanced beyond comprehension, but still a machine and does not possess a soul whose aether returns to the lifestream upon death as those on Hydaelyn know it. Much like a computer; we can smash it to bits, but if its memory is stored in a flash drive (OMG), then it is simple a matter of transferring it over to another computer. Fortunately, we don't have the technology to build Omega another 'body', but it is still there. Learning. Processing. It could be several millennia, but Omega's return is inevitable.
Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere
I really don't know how anything and everything that has to do with Omega cannot be considered canon. The raids themselves simply represent our encounters with it. Considering that Omega is mentioned in the early MSQ and seen as a great threat that is visibly witnessed at the end of HW, we can only assume that the absolute certain debriefing from the WoL and Ironworks of its defeat takes place off screen. There's just no way Nanamo and co. would just accept its no longer around without knowing how that came to be so.
As for the main topic. I seem to remember five weapons in total from VII. Three of them are part of the story, and two are super bosses that have nothing to do with the main story outside the lore. One of the three (Sapphire) gets its head blasted off while wrecking Junon, and we don't encounter it in battle. Another (Diamond), we encounter briefly before it marches off to Midgar and we see what happens in FMV when a tank buster isn't mitigated. The third is this weird version of Ultimate that is part of the main story, but it's not; it's also an optional boss, but it's not.
With at least seven trials per expansion that award mounts, weapons, and other valuable primal drops along with the exclusion of Ultimate, I'd imagine we are getting Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, and Sapphire. If so, it is interesting that they are starting off with Ruby. Perhaps Sapphire will get the love it was denied in VII. It will be interesting to see certain abilities from Ruby and Emerald modernized into mechanics for FFXIV and should be fun. Diamond and Sapphire though, they would have a lox of flexibility with how to create their encounters. Will have to see.(2)
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Thing is with FF7's weapons are they just going to use the ones from FF7 alone or the whole anthology, in which case Omega Weapon could be the final one. Of all the weapons that i am interested in fighting it is Sapphire Weapon i want to fight most since it was a glorified cutscene monster you had next to no interaction with it so the devs have near complete freedom with moves beyond it can swim and fires a laser from it's mouth. You at least fight all other weapons even if you didn't kill them(Diamond in international was fought)
Omega is not the Omega weapon they are separate entities within the series.(1)Guy butt is best butt <3
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Based on previous two expansions, only three of the seven are from the chronicle of new era. The rest are MSQ trial.
Originally Posted by Gemina
So we'd probably only get ruby, emerald, and diamond in 5.2, 5.4 and 5.5.
We'll get another MSQ trial in 5.3.
Unless they decided to change the pattern that is.(0)
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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../sidestory_03/
Originally Posted by VenKitsune
From the official ffxiv website and a part of Lodestone... it is official Cannon posted by Word of God ie the developers.
Meaning it is not some random fanfiction some hyped up fan wrote.(11)Last edited by Rannie; 12-14-2019 at 07:33 PM.
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*general whole story spoilers.*
Originally Posted by VenKitsune
"The world forsaken" from the tales from the shadows series the devs posted on the Lodestone a while back tells the tale from the doomed future, where its revealed that the OMG minion has Omega's "consciousness" or something akin to that imparted into it, as it is monitoring and collecting data while narrating events from the doomed future. In it, it specifically mentions that The Tycoon was created through analyzing the encounters with Alexander & Omega, on top of several of the datalogs in the Twinning implying that the NOAH expedition, the group that opened the doors of the Crystal Tower in the CT series, had happened as Graha was already in his stasis state inside the tower, something that directly happens at the end of the CT series and the fact the ironworks peeps from the future didn't have to contend with Xande & the like, as they had already been cleared out. There's also the Tycoon's chamber itself that has portals on the walls clearly depicting moments in time from the Alexander, CT & Omega raids, showcasing they did happen.
OMG even mentions the line "I could by this time emulate the cognitive processes of organic beings, as I had done on one particular occasion many years ago, in the moments immediately prior to the irreversible dissolution of my previous vessel.", directly implicating that the events of the Omega raid had happened. Considering the doomed future begins to happen soon after our current time and the WoL dies in the future one, it leaves a very small timeframe that these expeditions could have happened.
I also believe there's a quote from Yoshi-P or one of the storywriters that they made the decision that all 24 mans & 8 man side-story trials (Warring Triad, Four lords) happen canonically in the overarching story, since it would have limited their ability to use older content to advance the narrative (Tycoon's origins being rooted in CT, Omega & Alexander raids, for example) if they assumed not every WoL went into those instances.
Overall, there's mountains of evidence to showcase the fact that Yoshi-P and his storytelling crew have made the raids & trial stories canon in the overarching narrative, regardless of individual player progress.(10)Last edited by MariaArvana; 12-14-2019 at 08:09 PM.
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They are call backs to FF7. 2 of them are optional, one of them is part of the story.
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Honestly, the other weapons showing up felt more like a "when" then an "if", to me.
It is interesting that both the relic weapon quests and this trial series seem to be on the Source as opposed to the First. I guess they're trying to get our feet wet in Ilsabard before we head into its furthest reaches to address Garlemald.(1)
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