Thread: 5.2 Ruby Weapon Trial!

Originally Posted by Powercow

Heck, the origin story for the very race you're playing is explained in Alexander!

It's just the Hotgo tribe in particular who originated from that scenario. It kinda bugs me how little mention they actually get at the steppe despite their relevance to the Alexander story.

One of the Dotharl mentions that their tribe incurred heavy losses in their conflict with them but nothing is mentioned as to what led them to want to eradicate the tribe in the first place (Though it's possible that may simply have been the norm for the Dotharl until their tribe got pushed to the brink).

Originally Posted by VenKitsune

How does that prove the omega RAIDS was canon? Omega was activated and used in the MSQ - Ofcource they'd know some of the tech behind it...And where does omega narrate that? The Small omega "OMG" Minion/The one that follows Alpha is NOT omega, not the true omega anyway, that was made clear at the end of the omega raids, it was simply omegas memories, not its consciousness - We KILL omega at the end of the raid.

No matter how much you want to be right, you will never accept any evidence to the contrary, will you?
Omega plants its memories into the OMG toy so as to learn what it was lacking, and how lowly humans were able to defeat it, and what it means to have a soul.
We do not /kill/ Omega. We /defeat/ Omega. Big difference.

Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

No matter how much you want to be right, you will never accept any evidence to the contrary, will you?
Omega plants its memories into the OMG toy so as to learn what it was lacking, and how lowly humans were able to defeat it, and what it means to have a soul.
We do not /kill/ Omega. We /defeat/ Omega. Big difference.

There's also the bit with Midgardsormr in the Omega storyline which explains why Middy is "crossed out" of MSQ for a bit as he crossed the Rift to help us.
OMG is indeed part of the whole Garlond story leading to Shadowbringers being possible.
And for Alexander, well the Twinning shows Alexander Prime which is not the first form of Alexander we met, we had the whole Father and Son arms to conquer before being abel to access this area. It's not possible that Garlond could have gathered data on Alexander with Goblin help when without our help, the evil Goblins would still rule Alexander (and have rewritten history too, I guess).

The omega raids are indeed canon... it even changes lore for the whole series. SO SPOLIERS BECAUSE IDK HOW TO DO THE COMMAND YOU BEEN WARNED


If you played attention to cutscenes it's told how thoughout the history of shinryu and omega's rivalry, shinryu was all this time actually midgarsormor. So whenever shinryu first appears with omega? Whatever title it was that's midgard. Dragons also never existed in xiv's world natively. They started to pop up when during one encounter midgard was wounded heavily, and retreated by traveling the rift and making a deal with hydaelyn for sanctuary. Omega can also traval the rift... so omega does eventually follow midgard to hydaelyn.

Now cid an crew initially believed omega was allagan tech but no it's not. This is why you fight recreations of ff bosses lore wise, because you YOU and everyone else kefka, exdearh. They are merely legends. However to omega? It's been in every ff where the bosses are from, so it's literally recreating these "myths" from its recorded data on them.

While xiv does use a lot of fan service you have to pay really close attention to what's just fan service, and what's actually canon to xiv. Plus Gilgamesh can traval between worlds and while there was debate on if xiv's was the canon gilga, we later do learn yes he is infact the same rift traveling gilgamesh.

Hope that helps clear things up for anyone who might have skipped or just barely read the omega cutsnene dialog.

Originally Posted by VenKitsune

SE ripping off their previous games instead of actually coming up with anything original in the name of "Nostalgia" is hardly new.
Also, Omega was a part of the MSQ - Does that make the Omega raids Canon? Nope. Thus far the only canonical raid is Coils - Eden might be, but we'll have to see after all the tiers are out.

Now now, us long time fans of FF7 are finally getting our due after being screwed over during Stormblood.. using FF4 5 and 6 bosses and then completely skipping 7 for the final act.. it's about time we had a full on trial set for FF7.

Plus don't forget about the Remaking that's suppose to be out next year too

Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

No matter how much you want to be right, you will never accept any evidence to the contrary, will you?
Omega plants its memories into the OMG toy so as to learn what it was lacking, and how lowly humans were able to defeat it, and what it means to have a soul.
We do not /kill/ Omega. We /defeat/ Omega. Big difference.

Indeed. We have to remember that Omega is a machine. Advanced beyond comprehension, but still a machine and does not possess a soul whose aether returns to the lifestream upon death as those on Hydaelyn know it. Much like a computer; we can smash it to bits, but if its memory is stored in a flash drive (OMG), then it is simple a matter of transferring it over to another computer. Fortunately, we don't have the technology to build Omega another 'body', but it is still there. Learning. Processing. It could be several millennia, but Omega's return is inevitable.

I really don't know how anything and everything that has to do with Omega cannot be considered canon. The raids themselves simply represent our encounters with it. Considering that Omega is mentioned in the early MSQ and seen as a great threat that is visibly witnessed at the end of HW, we can only assume that the absolute certain debriefing from the WoL and Ironworks of its defeat takes place off screen. There's just no way Nanamo and co. would just accept its no longer around without knowing how that came to be so.

As for the main topic. I seem to remember five weapons in total from VII. Three of them are part of the story, and two are super bosses that have nothing to do with the main story outside the lore. One of the three (Sapphire) gets its head blasted off while wrecking Junon, and we don't encounter it in battle. Another (Diamond), we encounter briefly before it marches off to Midgar and we see what happens in FMV when a tank buster isn't mitigated. The third is this weird version of Ultimate that is part of the main story, but it's not; it's also an optional boss, but it's not.

With at least seven trials per expansion that award mounts, weapons, and other valuable primal drops along with the exclusion of Ultimate, I'd imagine we are getting Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, and Sapphire. If so, it is interesting that they are starting off with Ruby. Perhaps Sapphire will get the love it was denied in VII. It will be interesting to see certain abilities from Ruby and Emerald modernized into mechanics for FFXIV and should be fun. Diamond and Sapphire though, they would have a lox of flexibility with how to create their encounters. Will have to see.