Thread: 5.2 Ruby Weapon Trial!

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Diamond Weapon as well.

Post being ripped into by the Sister Ray, or before?

Can't fight Saphy because it got beheadedblastedoff by the Junon Cannon.

I will laugh all kinds of silliness if Ruby Weapon has the Whirlsand attack. Suck in 7 players and leave the tank to solo it.

Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69

I'm betting the theme will be a remix of "Attack of the Weapons" from FF7.

Would love that, but I expect it to be another rendition of the main FF theme like we've been getting for the last 6yrs.

Originally Posted by linay

Why would you think any of the raid is not canon?

Also, have you seen the arena scenes at the final boss of The Twinning?

To this day, Coils is the only raid that is commented on in the MSQ - The Dialogue changes (I believe its Alise that comments on it, sometime during HW i believe) depending on if you've completed it by then or not. Omega, gets nothing. Infact its not even mentioned at all after 3.55 - Its like all the characters just forgot it existed when stormblood* started. Its never mentioned in the MSQ ever again.
The closest we got to Alex being canon was the final boss of the twinning - But considering the nature of alex, alternate timelines...Time travel and parallel universes...Its not confirmation its canon.

Originally Posted by VenKitsune

To this day, Coils is the only raid that is commented on in the MSQ - The Dialogue changes (I believe its Alise that comments on it, sometime during HW i believe) depending on if you've completed it by then or not. Omega, gets nothing. Infact its not even mentioned at all after 3.55 - Its like all the characters just forgot it existed when stormblood* started. Its never mentioned in the MSQ ever again.
The closest we got to Alex being canon was the final boss of the twinning - But considering the nature of alex, alternate timelines...Time travel and parallel universes...Its not confirmation its canon.

Twinning revealed Omega is Canon as the technology used to create the time travel device for the Exarch required using a part of Alex and Omega's technology. In the side web story after events of WoL's death from the Black Rose, Omega narrates events that lead to the creation of the Time Travel Device as well while being in his new smaller toy body that he got from the ending of Omega Raid.

Originally Posted by Avidria

Maybe I totally missed something somehow, but I thought the entire point of the Twinning was that Ironworks used tech based on Alexander and Omega to create their own time machine, and that was how the entire plot of Shadowbringers was even possible in the first place.

Did I wildly misinterpret that or what? I don't see how Alex could be non-canon considering that. And... Crystal Tower kinda has to be too, doesn't it? What are we actually considering canon to mean here lol

...also @ the thread I have no idea what these weapons are but I guess it'll be interesting to see when they're out.

You have to remember that regardless as to if you've done alex or not, alexander himself is still a part of the terrain in dravania - Ironworks could of simply copied him with help from goblins. No data from omega was used.

Also yes, Crystal tower raids were brought in to canon with shb's release, evident by the fact that an up until that point minor NPC became a major story NPC for the games third and arguably most successful and funded expansion. Once again, dialogue changes as to if you've done crystal tower or not before shadowbringers. Its canon.

And no, the first IS a parallel dimension of sorts - Eulmore is Limsa, Lakeland is mor dhona etc etc. The methods to which how the crystal tower was summoned to the first are very vague, but it was hinted it was magic, not magitech.

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Twinning revealed Omega is Cannon as the technology used to create the time travel device for the Exarch required using a part of Alex and Omega's technology. In the side web story after events of WoL's death from the Black Rose, Omega narrates events that lead to the creation of the Time Travel Device as well while being in his new smaller toy body that he got from the ending of Omega Raid.

How does that prove the omega RAIDS was canon? Omega was activated and used in the MSQ - Ofcource they'd know some of the tech behind it...And where does omega narrate that? The Small omega "OMG" Minion/The one that follows Alpha is NOT omega, not the true omega anyway, that was made clear at the end of the omega raids, it was simply omegas memories, not its consciousness - We KILL omega at the end of the raid.

Originally Posted by Avidria

Maybe I totally missed something somehow, but I thought the entire point of the Twinning was that Ironworks used tech based on Alexander and Omega to create their own time machine, and that was how the entire plot of Shadowbringers was even possible in the first place.

Did I wildly misinterpret that or what? I don't see how Alex could be non-canon considering that. And... Crystal Tower kinda has to be too, doesn't it? What are we actually considering canon to mean here lol

...also @ the thread I have no idea what these weapons are but I guess it'll be interesting to see when they're out.

They are call backs to FF7. 2 of them are optional, one of them is part of the story.

Originally Posted by VenKitsune

For it to be a "Crossover" They'd need to add an event to FF7 too for it to be a "Crossover"...Yea, that aint happening to a game that old and one they're unable to update lol.

SE ripping off their previous games instead of actually coming up with anything original in the name of "Nostalgia" is hardly new.
Also, Omega was a part of the MSQ - Does that make the Omega raids Canon? Nope. Thus far the only canonical raid is Coils - Eden might be, but we'll have to see after all the tiers are out.

I said this will be a Important Side Storyline relating to the Main Scenario Quests. I did not say this will be a Cross-over event.

We actually had a early introduction to this new Chroncile of a New Era Storyline in 5.1 Main Scenario being that we are told that Gaius went his separate way because he had to locate "missing weapons" that were taken from the Garlean Armory which we now know are these "Weapons" with Ruby Weapon being the first Trial.

This Chroncile of a New Era storyline may get mentioned in the Main Scenario later again once Gaius gets back into it since he is on a mission to destroy these Weapons and how the story mentions is obviously going to be based on the Progress but best guess he either mentions it as he defeated them alone or mentions that WoL helped based on Progress later.

Originally Posted by VenKitsune

To this day, Coils is the only raid that is commented on in the MSQ - The Dialogue changes (I believe its Alise that comments on it, sometime during HW i believe) depending on if you've completed it by then or not. Omega, gets nothing. Infact its not even mentioned at all after 3.55 - Its like all the characters just forgot it existed when stormblood* started. Its never mentioned in the MSQ ever again.
The closest we got to Alex being canon was the final boss of the twinning - But considering the nature of alex, alternate timelines...Time travel and parallel universes...Its not confirmation its canon.

Well, and the Crystal Tower. That one kinda plays a minor role in Shadowbringers, but it could be easily missed. Also the Red Mage job quests return to the Weeping City after we've (mostly) cleared it. Also pretty sure someone off-handedly mentions Rabanastre outside of the 24man questline so that seems like it exists. Alpha wanders the world after clearing Omega, he can be spotted all over the place. Heck, the origin story for the very race you're playing is explained in Alexander!

Yeah all the raids are canon. The Savage/Extreme modes have a certain level of embellishment from the Wandering Minstrel/Minstrelling Wanderer but indeed, the base versions of stuff did happen. Now, if your personal headcanon is that it hasn't happened that's fine, but saying "just because it's not part of the MSQ means it didn't happen!" is just silly.