Thread: 5.2 Ruby Weapon Trial!

Maybe I totally missed something somehow, but I thought the entire point of the Twinning was that Ironworks used tech based on Alexander and Omega to create their own time machine, and that was how the entire plot of Shadowbringers was even possible in the first place.

Did I wildly misinterpret that or what? I don't see how Alex could be non-canon considering that. And... Crystal Tower kinda has to be too, doesn't it? What are we actually considering canon to mean here lol

...also @ the thread I have no idea what these weapons are but I guess it'll be interesting to see when they're out.

Originally Posted by VenKitsune

How does that prove the omega RAIDS was canon? Omega was activated and used in the MSQ - Ofcource they'd know some of the tech behind it...And where does omega narrate that? The Small omega "OMG" Minion/The one that follows Alpha is NOT omega, not the true omega anyway, that was made clear at the end of the omega raids, it was simply omegas memories, not its consciousness - We KILL omega at the end of the raid.

No matter how much you want to be right, you will never accept any evidence to the contrary, will you?
Omega plants its memories into the OMG toy so as to learn what it was lacking, and how lowly humans were able to defeat it, and what it means to have a soul.
We do not /kill/ Omega. We /defeat/ Omega. Big difference.

Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

No matter how much you want to be right, you will never accept any evidence to the contrary, will you?
Omega plants its memories into the OMG toy so as to learn what it was lacking, and how lowly humans were able to defeat it, and what it means to have a soul.
We do not /kill/ Omega. We /defeat/ Omega. Big difference.

There's also the bit with Midgardsormr in the Omega storyline which explains why Middy is "crossed out" of MSQ for a bit as he crossed the Rift to help us.
OMG is indeed part of the whole Garlond story leading to Shadowbringers being possible.
And for Alexander, well the Twinning shows Alexander Prime which is not the first form of Alexander we met, we had the whole Father and Son arms to conquer before being abel to access this area. It's not possible that Garlond could have gathered data on Alexander with Goblin help when without our help, the evil Goblins would still rule Alexander (and have rewritten history too, I guess).

Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

No matter how much you want to be right, you will never accept any evidence to the contrary, will you?
Omega plants its memories into the OMG toy so as to learn what it was lacking, and how lowly humans were able to defeat it, and what it means to have a soul.
We do not /kill/ Omega. We /defeat/ Omega. Big difference.

Indeed. We have to remember that Omega is a machine. Advanced beyond comprehension, but still a machine and does not possess a soul whose aether returns to the lifestream upon death as those on Hydaelyn know it. Much like a computer; we can smash it to bits, but if its memory is stored in a flash drive (OMG), then it is simple a matter of transferring it over to another computer. Fortunately, we don't have the technology to build Omega another 'body', but it is still there. Learning. Processing. It could be several millennia, but Omega's return is inevitable.

I really don't know how anything and everything that has to do with Omega cannot be considered canon. The raids themselves simply represent our encounters with it. Considering that Omega is mentioned in the early MSQ and seen as a great threat that is visibly witnessed at the end of HW, we can only assume that the absolute certain debriefing from the WoL and Ironworks of its defeat takes place off screen. There's just no way Nanamo and co. would just accept its no longer around without knowing how that came to be so.

As for the main topic. I seem to remember five weapons in total from VII. Three of them are part of the story, and two are super bosses that have nothing to do with the main story outside the lore. One of the three (Sapphire) gets its head blasted off while wrecking Junon, and we don't encounter it in battle. Another (Diamond), we encounter briefly before it marches off to Midgar and we see what happens in FMV when a tank buster isn't mitigated. The third is this weird version of Ultimate that is part of the main story, but it's not; it's also an optional boss, but it's not.

With at least seven trials per expansion that award mounts, weapons, and other valuable primal drops along with the exclusion of Ultimate, I'd imagine we are getting Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, and Sapphire. If so, it is interesting that they are starting off with Ruby. Perhaps Sapphire will get the love it was denied in VII. It will be interesting to see certain abilities from Ruby and Emerald modernized into mechanics for FFXIV and should be fun. Diamond and Sapphire though, they would have a lox of flexibility with how to create their encounters. Will have to see.

Originally Posted by Gemina

With at least seven trials per expansion that award mounts, weapons, and other valuable primal drops along with the exclusion of Ultimate, I'd imagine we are getting Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, and Sapphire.

Based on previous two expansions, only three of the seven are from the chronicle of new era. The rest are MSQ trial.
So we'd probably only get ruby, emerald, and diamond in 5.2, 5.4 and 5.5.
We'll get another MSQ trial in 5.3.
Unless they decided to change the pattern that is.

Originally Posted by Fland

Based on previous two expansions, only three of the seven are from the chronicle of new era. The rest are MSQ trial.
So we'd probably only get ruby, emerald, and diamond in 5.2, 5.4 and 5.5.
We'll get another MSQ trial in 5.3.
Unless they decided to change the pattern that is.

We'll never know tbh. With Stormblood they didn't do a battle or trial against Amaterasu even though we had trials against Susano-o and Tsukiyomi. They could have taken that further and done Izanagi as well.

Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

We'll never know tbh. With Stormblood they didn't do a battle or trial against Amaterasu even though we had trials against Susano-o and Tsukiyomi. They could have taken that further and done Izanagi as well.

Yeah, sadly they didn't, one can hope only that SE grabs up these two missed trials somehow later eventually as Hildebrand Trial Fights when is journey somehow lets him return to SB regions where Amaterasu n Izanagi/Izanami could play a role in there.

Originally Posted by Fland

Based on previous two expansions, only three of the seven are from the chronicle of new era. The rest are MSQ trial.
So we'd probably only get ruby, emerald, and diamond in 5.2, 5.4 and 5.5.
We'll get another MSQ trial in 5.3.
Unless they decided to change the pattern that is.

Don't forget that we're also getting a super secret trial, along with the Ruby Weapon trial. Secret enough for them to not talk about it during part 2 of the patch 5.2 preview, similar to how they handled Tsukuyomi.

I'd say that already counts as a change in the pattern.