BLU's Suicide Spells

[P0W3RK1D]

so, to make this short, ans we all may know a special Debuff has been added to the spells: Final sting, Self-destruct, and Transfusion, all fairly powerful spells that originally killed the user.
but now a new problem has been added to thoes spells -- not only dodes the user die immediately, but they also recive a DEBUFF that restricts them from using the move again for 9-10 minutes, regardless of weather they are raised or not...

so the problem with this is , even when it used to be only DEATH as the penalty people still used the move, either as a last ditch effort, or just memeing around, but now they cant even do that.

so to the devs on this ability i ask that you simply choose one penalty or the other.

Personally I suggest this: When a player uses either of thoes 3 spells they will become "Incapacitated" in this sense:

When they use the spells They gain the slow 50%, blind, and weakness debuffs for 20-30 seconds (cannot be removed via esuna), along with this their HP drops down to 1, and will stay there, regardless of healing for 10 seconds (taking ANY damage during this time, while your hp is at 1 will result in instant death).
(if you want you can even add the brush with death debuff to this to make it more penalizing, id prefer you didnt though, or at the very least just reduce the 10 minute timer)

this new change will allow the BLU to continue to play the game and have fun with the "suicide" spells, as there may be times where they can find use in them in a high risk, high reward situations; but not INSTAKILLING the player, but rather giving them a period of time where they are extremely easy to kill , and basically defensively helpless will make the abilities so much better.

in solo play, using self destruct or final sting would then be useful...ud just better hope you kill your target (so a bit of a gamble)

in parties, the Atheric mimicry: healer, could use transfusion in times where he needs to panic heal , or restore an allies mp before jumping to the back line and praying nothing comes flying his way.

[TwiibieTwuu]

Isn't this spell required for a certain hunt mob? They should remove the debuff in general.

[Zomkei]

Isn't this spell required for a certain hunt mob? They should remove the debuff in general.

the debuff was put in place because people used it to cheat jumping puzzles by dying and being raised into the spot they needed, so i doubt they’ll ever remove it. also, i could be wrong, but i don’t think this spell is required, people used it because it was easier.

[JamieRose]

You mean like the infamous jumping puzzle in Kugane? That one is so badly designed that it deserves to be cheesed.

[Deceptus]

You mean like the infamous jumping puzzle in Kugane? That one is so badly designed that it deserves to be cheesed.

What you don't like having to jump from standing over thin air to a spot in thin air?

[Shougun]

What you don't like having to jump from standing over thin air to a spot in thin air?

I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over that invisible wall I just face planted into.

[RitsukoSonoda]

What you don't like having to jump from standing over thin air to a spot in thin air?

They should have made the tower aggro players so the people that face planted into the ground actually died :P

[Zumi]

I believe the debuff was added because it made clearing multi act carnival fairly easy with buffing up final sting or self destruct.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I believe the debuff was added because it made clearing multi act carnival fairly easy with buffing up final sting or self destruct.

I think it was more how BLU parties could quick clear dungeons by abusing Final Sting and Self-Destruct. Much of the 5.1 "balance" changes seemed to be built around prepping the job for group content.

[TwiibieTwuu]

I believe the debuff was added because it made clearing multi act carnival fairly easy with buffing up final sting or self destruct.

"Blue is not allowed to do things because it's designed to be overpowered"

*Proceeds to nerf it for being overpowered*