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  1. #41
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    Kirsten Revenant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd View Post
    I already posted in the most recent thread about this. But I have a feeling Devs tend to overlook the many many complaint posts we have and I kept having good ideas on this so I'm proposing a simple yet elegant solution to the Alliance Raid issue (specifically getting ARR content continuously) in three parts.

    1) Make the Crystal Tower Raids into a separate roulette called MSQ Alliance Raids. These raids are basically canon now with the new expansion so lets give them the same insane chunk of exp that standard MSQ gets (keep the tome payout) and anyone who is leveling or wants the easier path can chose this option and not take the chance of higher raids away from others who want them.

    2) Make Alliance Raids only available to players who unlocked that entire raid tier for their level. So no matter what level you are, if you're queing for MSQ Alliance you'll need all 3 CT raids to unlock it. For Standard Alliance, if you're 80 you'll need all raid tiers (60-current) to unlock the roulette. I think this is pretty fair, considering other roulettes have restrictions like this.

    3) Standard Alliance Raid roulette to be locked to the minimum ilvl requirement of THE LEVEL YOU QUE WITH. If you que as lvl 80, you must meet the minimum requirement for Copied Factory or you can't participate in the roulette. Level 70? Minimum for Rabanastre. Level 60? Minimum for Void Ark. No more manipulation of the system. Period.

    Please consider this option so I can stop having to choose between leveling or tomes. And maybe not ever see LotA again. Ever.
    I think (2) and (3) are all that's needed to start with. Maybe pair it with a change that locks Alliance Roulette entirely - and the associated rewards - until someone has unlocked at least six such Raids (i.e. all of the 50- and 60-tier at minimum). It could be that after all this, the needle barely moves, at which point, yeah, maybe we need to split the Roulettes into multiple tiers. But this fractures the base of people seeking to participate at any given time, which could easily have severe, unintended consequences for queue times. I think it should be held in reserve as a last resort, not bundled together with more fundamental changes aiming to prevent people from gaming the system.
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  2. #42
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    Barraind Faylestar
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    For Standard Alliance, if you're 80 you'll need all raid tiers (60-current) to unlock the roulette. I think this is pretty fair, considering other roulettes have restrictions like this.
    Uh, what? The only roulettes that dont require two (and only two) unlocks are Expert and Mentor, and those are both considered level cap content. You can queue for leveling at 79 if you only have unlocked the first 2 leveling dungeons. You can queue for raids if you only have the first 2 alexander raids (or any 2 raids) unlocked. You can queue for 50/60/70 at 79 with only Snowcloak and Keeper unlocked. You can queue for trials with only Cape Westwind and Thornmarch Hard.

    Alliance is exactly the same. It is not considered level-cap content.
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  3. #43
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    Ursa Nightrain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barraind View Post
    Uh, what? The only roulettes that dont require two (and only two) unlocks are Expert and Mentor, and those are both considered level cap content. You can queue for leveling at 79 if you only have unlocked the first 2 leveling dungeons. You can queue for raids if you only have the first 2 alexander raids (or any 2 raids) unlocked. You can queue for 50/60/70 at 79 with only Snowcloak and Keeper unlocked. You can queue for trials with only Cape Westwind and Thornmarch Hard.

    Alliance is exactly the same. It is not considered level-cap content.
    It used to be. When lvl 50 roulette was separate, you needed all the lvl 50 dungeons (even the optional non story ones) to unlock that roulette. If thats not the case now, then its a huge mistake on the devs part because that root of a lot of the DF manipulation going on. I started in HW. The requirements were fairly different then I guess.
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  4. #44
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Just nerf the daily reward and increase it for high lvl raids, thats all.
    If you make it less profitable to go for low lvl raids then it wont be worth its time.
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  5. #45
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    Patch 4.0 (and 4.3 for raids) standardized EVERY roulette except max level content to require 2 dungeons from that roulette unlocked, and requires the minimum ilvl of either the first 2 unlockable (if its unlocked through msq) or the lowest 2 you have unlocked.

    The ONLY requirement for sub-cap roulettes is having the ability to enter 2 instances contained within, specifically because they're used for quest completion, leveling alt classes, ect. The entire point is to make them accessible to anyone on any class as long as you meet the bare minimum requirements.
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    Last edited by Barraind; 12-17-2019 at 05:10 AM.

  6. #46
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    They should give more tomes and xp for the longer ones. ST is very short so I would rather do that than sit in a 45-50 minute run of anything else outside of the crystal tower raids.
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Honestly I agree that something needs to be done.

    I am so sick of Alexander and Crystal Tower series I about want to puke the minute I see them because I already know they will be the first to pop. Every now and then I get something else. I don't mind helping newbies... but just as others have stated just as often as not, there's no "new player" bonus popping when you enter.
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  8. #48
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    This isn't a problem and nothing needs to be done to it. If you want to run a specific alliance raid, queue up for it. The only acceptable "fix" would be to increase the reward for the later/more difficult ones to make them more enticing to run (if dodging is actually an issue, I certainly haven't experienced it being so). We don't need more roulettes, we don't need any additional restrictions on the roulette (that no other roulette has), we don't need roulettes limited to once per day (lol this is the absolute worst idea I've ever read in a game where you have to use duty finder to get groups).
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  9. #49
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    This isn't a problem and nothing needs to be done to it. If you want to run a specific alliance raid, queue up for it. The only acceptable "fix" would be to increase the reward for the later/more difficult ones to make them more enticing to run (if dodging is actually an issue, I certainly haven't experienced it being so). We don't need more roulettes, we don't need any additional restrictions on the roulette (that no other roulette has), we don't need roulettes limited to once per day (lol this is the absolute worst idea I've ever read in a game where you have to use duty finder to get groups).
    Personally I LOVE The Alexander Raid. I get excited everytime I que for something Alex. And Im a fan of LotA and Syrcus Tower.
    But I will say that there should be a rotation. I wont say like PvP, but just...something so more diverse content gets played. Like I can't stand 50/60/70 Roulette, because you always get put into a lv 50 (at least I do) dungeon, and the reward for it is abysmal. Leveling Roulette has a better rotation, and a better reward.

    My Main point though, they need to at least get a Rotation of some sort going, then give good decent rewards for doing it. Increase the bigger raid dungeons reward.
    Kind of like The Praetorium, thats a long One-Hour No-skip cutscene Dungeon. But for sitting through it, you get nearly a whole level for your time.
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  10. #50
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    This isn't a problem and nothing needs to be done to it. If you want to run a specific alliance raid, queue up for it. The only acceptable "fix" would be to increase the reward for the later/more difficult ones to make them more enticing to run (if dodging is actually an issue, I certainly haven't experienced it being so). We don't need more roulettes, we don't need any additional restrictions on the roulette (that no other roulette has), we don't need roulettes limited to once per day (lol this is the absolute worst idea I've ever read in a game where you have to use duty finder to get groups).
    Taking off your gear to exploit a loophole the devs never intended for is the definition of a problem. You're simply benefiting from it, thus don't want anything altered. Orbonne can take hours to pop nowadays despite the entire purpose of Alliance Roulette being to help mitigate those queue times.
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