Alliance Raids Fix. Show your support.

[Recon1o6]

Having being playing since launch, I really am sick of the crystal tower series. I haven't been in the Orbonne monastery since 4.5 through alliance roulette (and only twice outside it) and if its not the crystal tower or sycrus, then its the universally dull void ark. I might see world of darkness once every 3 weeks tops. It would be nice if the housing item dropped more often though since I've only seen it a couple of times despite 5 years of playing in sycrus, and never in WOD

I do agree though that an Ilvl cut off should be implemented better for crystal tower series and shadow of mhach to preserve the difficulty. Gear is so strong now that every boss except thano due to his invincibility loses mechanics or even the entire fight. (behemoth been killed before any meteors, phlegathon if pushed hard enough doesnt even get a flare, though only 1 flare is not uncommon. Glasya's been skipped since WOD, cloud of darkness doesnt even get to summon adds anymore in the boxes phase...)

I remember main scenario having rhitayn or whatever his name is (ya know that trial that's considered to have gone on a long time if its more than 1 minute after engagement) once upon a time >>

That said I have a couple of ideas

1. Merge the crystal tower series into main scenario roulette since it is canon and explains a good bit about the void while at it. Castrum meridium could be a good solo duty and the praetorium is already supposedly getting revised (i know they could cut out all the stuff with the magitek mount)

2A Change alliance roulette so that its part 1 raids IE Void ark, rabanastre and copied factory and a part 2 raid where its mhach/dun scaith+wipehouse/orbonne and whatever the next in the nier series are called

2B Implement a minimum gear to enter the roulette based on your level. No more queing without armour.

3. increase rewards for harder duties such as orbonne

4. change the reward system for old raids so that you get 1 token for the 1st raid, 2 for the second and 4 for the final raid in a series. You can then spend that token on items from the series (eg balthiers jacket or the void matter craft mat) and as such doing harder raids would give you more tokens.

[Gemina]

I don't understand why people have issues with the Alliance Roulette as it is. It's a levelling/tomes tool, people run it to get XP to level or to upgrade gear. I sigh if I get Sastasha in levelling dungeon roulette, but I put up with it because it was always going to have a chance of being the one I got. Likewise if I opt to do the alliance roulette. If I want to do a specific raid, I queue for that raid. If I want to do any raid except CT, I'll queue for a bunch in one go.

What would be your thoughts about the leveling roulette if you always got Sastasha, Tam Tara, or Copperbell Mines? Because that is what the playerbase is currently dealing with when it comes to Alliance Raid roulette. Even if a player could cheese the leveling roulette so this happens, they don't because getting through the beginner dungeons really isn't any shorter or less cumbersome than the recent ones. However because over half of your toolkit will be pruned, the boredom in those 15 minutes make the run seem like 45 minutes.

This is an exploit. An exploit in the realm of mmos means that players are reaping a benefit that was not intended for them to have. One could argue with that statement by saying that participants in the roulette are already entitled to the rewards. However, the roulette rewards are based on several factors that include all the instances that are in the roulette. That entitlement goes away when you cheat the system and other players out of 66% of the possible instances to get in the roulette.

All it takes is one player to boot. So one selfish player can potentially cheat 23 others out of more engaging gameplay that doesn't make alliance raids a snorefest. One player alone should not have that kind of power. Believe it or not, there are plenty of players who would gladly take a 45 minute Orbonne run to a 15 minute CT raid simply because it's more fun and requires attentiveness.

This is a ROULETTE with extra rewards to encourage you to go to help new players complete content.

If you need to complete any alliance raid outside of CT or Copied Factory, I hope you packed a lunch; you're going to need it. You can expect a queue time of well over an hour regardless of role. I think I've only got Orbonne once in roulette since ShB release. It has got to be an absolute nightmare for players to clear the HW and now the SB alliance raids. I've even seen some desperate attempts in party finder.

Yes some people are (allegedly) cheesing the system. But any changes of the kinds being suggested here would reduce the pool of available helpers for new players.

There is no "allegedly". Players ARE cheating the system. The reduction to players willing to help new players is moot because those nice and helpful players are also at the mercy of the roulette, and whichever d-bag decides to reduce their ilv.

[Gemina]

Like in previous threads, my proposition is that a min ilv be enforced based on your current level. That ilv is based on the min ilv requirement for the highest alliance raid for a particular tier (WoD, Dun Scaith, Orbonne). I am aware that additional algorithms would need to be implemented, and also increase queue times for the roulette. I do think a slight increase in rewards based on ilv discrepancy to compensate is just fine. That would come in the way of additional exp, tomes, and gil. Nothing to get too excited over. And to be frank, I think I am being quite fair considering that I see this as an exploit and would personally ban the players I caught.

[Barraind]

What would be your thoughts about the leveling roulette if you always got Sastasha, Tam Tara, or Copperbell Mines? Because that is what the playerbase is currently dealing with when it comes to Alliance Raid roulette

No.

Its the equivalent of getting one of those 3, cutters, sunken temple, halatali, stone vigil, darkhold or AV. And those make up 75% of my leveling roulettes, and all but one in the last 2 months has had a newbie.

Similarily, I have mostly new people runs in Lab / Syrcus now. Roulettes that include a vast level range will ALWAYS be heavily weighted to the low end in this game. About HALF of the playtime between 1 and 80 limits you to one set of alliance raids and 1-47 leveling dungeons. Thats a whole lot when it only takes 1 person per 18 to toss you there.

[Vahlnir]

No.

Its the equivalent of getting one of those 3, cutters, sunken temple, halatali, stone vigil, darkhold or AV. And those make up 75% of my leveling roulettes, and all but one in the last 2 months has had a newbie.

Similarily, I have mostly new people runs in Lab / Syrcus now. Roulettes that include a vast level range will ALWAYS be heavily weighted to the low end in this game. About HALF of the playtime between 1 and 80 limits you to one set of alliance raids and 1-47 leveling dungeons. Thats a whole lot when it only takes 1 person per 18 to toss you there.

I used to get LotA and ST a lot for a long time. Recently it has been mostly World of Darkness and Orbonne for me with an occasional LotA/ST run.

[Gemina]

No.

Its the equivalent of getting one of those 3, cutters, sunken temple, halatali, stone vigil, darkhold or AV. And those make up 75% of my leveling roulettes, and all but one in the last 2 months has had a newbie.

Similarily, I have mostly new people runs in Lab / Syrcus now. Roulettes that include a vast level range will ALWAYS be heavily weighted to the low end in this game. About HALF of the playtime between 1 and 80 limits you to one set of alliance raids and 1-47 leveling dungeons. Thats a whole lot when it only takes 1 person per 18 to toss you there.

No right back at ya.

In a situation where all players in the queue qualify for the highest leveling dungeon possible, you still have to deal with RNG. That's just a matter of tough luck, and a situation that already exists. I just brought up the first three dungeons as a hypothetical example of a similar situation in the leveling roulette since the OP brought up Sastasha. Otherwise, I could just as easily retort and mention that I haven't got an ARR dungeon in leveling roulette in months. In fact, the damn thing keeps throwing me in Dohn Mheg.

Futhermore, we have fewer instances in the roulette pool with the Alliance Raids. If players weren't using the ilv exploit to force all other players into the CT raids and we kept getting them out of shear dumb luck, I could accept that considering that there is a total of nine instances in that pool. That's not the case though. Many players have come forth stating that they are getting nothing but the CT raids and are fed up. Then we also have the issue of newer players (the very ones in those CT raids with you that will eventually have to do the other raids) will not be able to clear the HW and SB raids without insane wait times in the queues.

[Palibun]

Boost, everytime i see LotA my soul dies a little more.

[TaleraRistain]

3) Standard Alliance Raid roulette to be locked to the minimum ilvl requirement of THE LEVEL YOU QUE WITH. If you que as lvl 80, you must meet the minimum requirement for Copied Factory or you can't participate in the roulette. Level 70? Minimum for Rabanastre. Level 60? Minimum for Void Ark. No more manipulation of the system. Period.

Yeah, no. Let's screw over new level 80 people from getting the tome gear they'd need to get that ilevel by denying them a good daily way to get a high number of those tomes.

[linay]

Yeah, no. Let's screw over new level 80 people from getting the tome gear they'd need to get that ilevel by denying them a good daily way to get a high number of those tomes.

You can get tomestones from running max level dungeons, hunts, etc.

[ForteNightshade]

The easiest solution is simply locking Alliance Roulette until you've unlocked every raid tier from that expansion, and meet the ilvl requirement for the highest (WoD, Dun Scaith and Orbonne).

EXP could still be buffed somewhat but the above fixes the problem regardless.