[dev1032] Stamina.Improvement or Step back?

[Zkieve]

There are skills out that go all the way to 99 in the dats currently. Example:
http://ffxiv.yg.com/skill/blood-rite-iii?id=28464

And yea... Even RDM fell victim to mindless repetition in party-play on 11. Cure... Cure... Debuff... Haste... Refresh.. Cure some more. Every MMO out there is all about spamming a few choice abilities/spells. It sucks, but it's true. I played every job except lolpup, so I'm not talking from an unexperienced point of view here. The battle mechanics on 11 encouraged the same simple rotations you see on games like WoW. You use the same abilities repeatedly until the boss dies.

I understand that , but it isnt really different currently in 14,,,,
What does stamina have to do with this?.a player not doing anythin and another one pressing 1111111111 only is pretty much the same , imo.

[NoMX]

I understand that , but it isnt really different currently in 14,,,,
What does stamina have to do with this?.a player not doing anythin and another one pressing 1111111111 only is pretty much the same , imo.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-need-STAMINA

Thank you captain obvious.

Nice one. I think I heard that somewhere before, recently.

[Spuffin]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-need-STAMINA



Nice one. I think I heard that somewhere before, recently.

Just simply showing it's just as easy to be a dick

[NoMX]

Just simply showing it's just as easy to be a dick

You're no good at being a dick. Leave it to the pros.

Stamina is the entire backbone of the FF14 battle system. Without it the whole thing falls to pieces, as it was the mechanic the whole system was built around. If they add auto attack and remove stamina its a 100% guarantee that all our skills and ws's will be on a much higher cooldown timer, and you'll all be whining about it down the road.

[Kam]

Stamina is the entire backbone of the FF14 battle system. Without it the whole thing falls to pieces, as it was the mechanic the whole system was built around. If they add auto attack and remove stamina its a 100% guarantee that all our skills and ws's will be on a much higher cooldown timer, and you'll all be whining about it down the road.

Actually stanima does not regulate cure timers, or most abilities outside of a WS. no?
(Cus' they are on independant timers.. i.e. you can cure anytime..)

And WSing... doesnt rly matter because it is regulated by TP generation. lol?

[Spuffin]

Actually stanima does not regulate cure timers, or most abilities outside of a WS. no?
(Cus' they are on independant timers.. i.e. you can cure anytime..)

And WSing... doesnt rly matter because it is regulated by TP generation. lol?

Yes Kam you are right. He doesn't know what he is talking about obviously.

[Spuffin]

You're no good at being a dick. Leave it to the pros.

Stamina is the entire backbone of the FF14 battle system. Without it the whole thing falls to pieces, as it was the mechanic the whole system was built around. If they add auto attack and remove stamina its a 100% guarantee that all our skills and ws's will be on a much higher cooldown timer, and you'll all be whining about it down the road.

Yes lets leave it to the pros. You sir are entirely... Wrong.

Removal of the stamina bar will not affecect weapon skills as they are used with TP. Magic is used with MP and cool downs just like abilities (which is balanced) Currently the abilities we hvae available to us already has a LONG cooldown + large amounts of stamina use. With an auto attack you will have delay thus waiting to gain enough TP to use the WS (AKA FF11 combat system) The stamina bar is just a cumbersome annoyance. Those using a game pad will really hear me out on this.

IE. Auto attack is set to 1. One of your weapon skills is set to 5.
Begin: 1 right right right right 5 left left left left 1 right right right right right 6. Repeat.

[Zkieve]

Stamina is the entire backbone of the FF14 battle system. Without it the whole thing falls to pieces, as it was the mechanic the whole system was built around. If they add auto attack and remove stamina its a 100% guarantee that all our skills and ws's will be on a much higher cooldown timer, and you'll all be whining about it down the road.

not necessarily.i read your post on the other thread , and the only thin i agree on is on being able to do a burst attack (3-4hits back to back).The rest i dont think is necessarily true.

In FFXIV we wait on stamina/tp/cooldowns, in FFXI we wait on TP/cooldown,for me the choice is simple.
Rotations and cookie cutters builds are in fact, present right now in ffxiv,so im not sure what does it have to do with anythin bout stamina.

Anyways , my point was not auto attack vs stamina, although the thread it did went into that direction.My whole point is as it stands now. stamina does takes away a lot of fun from battle.Its needs to be reworked or removed.Like i said on OP , is a CONSTANT battle against stamina , and not with the enemy . that is something i can live without.

The battle system right now in ffxiv is boring and generic , for many reasons.if stamina is indeed the backbone of it, im pretty sure is the best place to start , to change this.
I know a lot of people enjoy it as it is now, the problem is a huge majority dont.Cant please them all.
Of course this is all my opinion .

[Spuffin]

not necessarily.i read your post on the other thread , and the only thin i agree on is on being able to do a burst attack (3-4hits back to back).The rest i dont think is necessarily true.

In FFXIV we wait on stamina/tp/cooldowns, in FFXI we wait on TP/cooldown,for me the choice is simple.
Rotations and cookie cutters builds are in fact, present right now in ffxiv,so im not sure what does it have to do with anythin bout stamina.

Anyways , my point was not auto attack vs stamina, although the thread it did went into that direction.My whole point is as it stands now. stamina does takes away a lot of fun from battle.Its needs to be reworked or removed.Like i said on OP , is a CONSTANT battle against stamina , and not with the enemy . that is something i can live without.

The battle system right now in ffxiv is boring and generic , for many reasons.if stamina is indeed the backbone of it, im pretty sure is the best place to start , to change this.
I know a lot of people enjoy it as it is now, the problem is a huge majority dont.Cant please them all.
Of course this is all my opinion .

Good read.

[Kam]

In FFXIV we wait on stamina/tp/cooldowns, in FFXI we wait on TP/cooldown,for me the choice is simple.
Rotations and cookie cutters builds are in fact, present right now in ffxiv,so im not sure what does it have to do with anythin bout stamina.

Anyways , my point was not auto attack vs stamina, although the thread it did went into that direction.My whole point is as it stands now. stamina does takes away a lot of fun from battle.Its needs to be reworked or removed.Like i said on OP , is a CONSTANT battle against stamina , and not with the enemy . that is something i can live without.

The battle system right now in ffxiv is boring and generic , for many reasons.if stamina is indeed the backbone of it, im pretty sure is the best place to start , to change this.
I know a lot of people enjoy it as it is now, the problem is a huge majority dont.Cant please them all.
Of course this is all my opinion .

I agree, as it stands, stanima ruins communication in battle, not that i want auto-attack either, due to things like quick-nock being ruined... some balance would be nice, like a toggle system for certain actions.. or a "Semi-gambit" system for people that need to communicate in the (future) endgame lol...