Butt is flat again... Patch 5.15

[reivaxe]

Here's a visual showcasing of butt differences. No still frames, so one can see what difference it makes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyQ4orm-qdU

The reason I don't think this is working as intended is because of the raid gear.
The Ranged legs (And I assume tank legs at least from what I remember trying on) look very much like the 2B Legs. I mean, they're like the over all design for all females for this raid in that it's close but not 100% the same as 2B. So the but is still noticeably bigger than arvg, just a tiny bit smaller.

And it still works perfectly the same. So tanks and ranged can save at least most of their glam. (I'll take pics later of what I mean)
Seems to me that who ever bug fixed this on the team made a mistake and had the 2B butt treat everything like the ruffle skirt (even the 2B dress) just to fix a bug were in the cheeks clip with some long dresses. So I hope we all KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS instead of going "SE hate butts! They took it awaaaay!" and leaving it at that.

This item was a god sen for Femroe >

[HyoMinPark]

Different teams work on different issues. It's not like there's 1 guy doing everything. As for the combat voices, my character has been fine, the new voices fit with the old ones. And gunbreaker sounds fine to me.

I never said it was “just 1 guy doing everything”. I was merely questioning their priority, when there are far larger issues that could stand to be fixed over GNB sounds that were fine before, and combat voices that were fine before. No one asked for either as far as I’ve seen, and even the JP side of the community aren’t happy with the latter (I don’t know how they feel about the GNB sounds, but I know they also have a thread on the JP forums complaining about the new voices, because not all of the voices have sounds that “fit with the old ones”—I know my Miqo’te voice is one of these).

AND since there was a bug report submitted, this is clearly a fix for that, and not "taking everyone's butts away just to spite you"

All right, so where’s the fixes for the myriad of other instances of clipping that have also been reported and noted throughout the years? They ignored people complaining that the Faerie Tale Princess attire literally eats the hands of any race that isn’t Lalafell, so why hasn’t it been fixed? There was more ranting about that outfit than there was 2B butts.

Maybe, just maybe, the actual results of the fix were unintended, and it was meant to fix a big, as that report clearly was, and probably wasnt limited to that outfit either.

But no, this was all an intent to slap users in the face, malign them, make them feel unwanted, etc.

Honestly, the amount of vitriol in this thread over this is utterly ridiculous. I've seen less hate over actual issues with the game.

This thread is honestly quiet civil compared to some of the others I’ve been in, which have had far more “vitriol” in them. As I said to someone else, I’m sorry that some of us prefer our character’s behinds to look proportional to the rest of their bodies.

With the rest of the clipping in this game, I don’t see why this was a “fix” that needed to happen. They’ve blissfully ignored the rest of the clipping that goes on, so why was this one suddenly so different? No, this isn’t me putting on a tinfoil hat and saying they have something against proportional butts; it’s merely me questioning what made this change so important to implement. Apparently, they’ve “fixed” this problem, and caused an entirely new one with some of the other pieces of Nier gear in the process.

[Reneekun]

To be entirely fair to that poster, they acknowledged in their second post in that thread that the developers had way more important things to deal with other than butt clipping. The wedding dresses partially eat Miqo’te and Au Ra tails in many of the poses, so the clipping is already there. If they weren’t going to fix the tail (i.e., perhaps make it float away from the body a bit more in the dress; or just offer an option to hide it completely, since it already slices straight through the fabric with no visible tail hole present), why fix the backside.

They also have more important things to address aside from “fixing” GNB sounds and “fixing” combat voices. I’m curious just what kind of priority list for issues they go on at this point.

Yeah, I didn't mean to come off so witch-hunty. I just think that like you said, out of the huuuuuuuuuge list of other buggy or clipping things, THIS is what they prioritized likely because of this image. And you're right, they probably didn't think that it would ruin butts for everyone, but it did.

[swiss_Momo]

What do you wear on top? The ass is still there if you are naked on chest or wearing only a bikini top or something like that. It depends on the chest piece if you have the enhanced or flat butt.

I'm not sure if is my imagination but I swear the size change with certain tops. Without anything else looks the same.

oh, I wasn't wearing any gear on top when checking it myself. Well, this is utter bs then. Especially if they wanna use "clipping problems2 as an excuse, seeing how rampant clipping still is with hair, weapons, tails & Au Ra horns....

there's a thread complaining about this on the Japanese forum as well btw, so give the OP a like (because we all know they only really care about Japanese feedback... Just please don't post using google translate or even in English there):

[KyrieBonvalet]

Well, it was nice while it lasted. Time to change my glams :c

[Nandrolone]

Can a community representative somehow forward this thread to the dev team? I’m not familiar with how they rule out which threads are eligible to be forwarded or not, but judging by this thread’s rapid popularity, I would say it’s a candidate. As for the 2B NieR bottoms being submitted as a bug in the past, there were plenty of other issues being reported as bugs, many have yet to be addressed and if they were, it seems like it took months before it was fixed.

Now, here is what doesn’t add up to me. Something so trivial like this was so highly important and super gameplay experience-ruining to the point where they just had to “fix” this? I think not. I love Square Enix and we all do, however, it’s best to just admit you are biased against something rather than just outright patching it out and ignoring anything relating to it. They know how many thousands of players want a butt slider, they will not add one. Apparently armor textures will be distorted. That’s fine, I respect that. Now, as alternatives to butt sliders, we get butt bottoms. A very “band-aid” move, but welcome nonetheless. A very small minority has reported this curvy butt item as a “bug”, and they find it so dire and important to where it must be patched out?

It’s like, let me get this straight. Bust sliders are okay, however, hip and/or butt sliders are not. Fine. But butt items aren’t either? Okay, this tells me that someone or multiple developers are highly against curvy rears. And if it indeed is an ethics department issue, then simply modify current glamour to give a more realistic rear. I understand in Japan or Korea, the way women normally look is different than here. However, final Fantasy is supposed to appeal to many demographics in the west too. And in case you didn’t know, Square, not all of us are built that way. I do not have a rear that looks like that. Many women do not.

[Reneekun]

Can a community representative somehow forward this thread to the dev team?

Unsure how true it is or isn't but most believe they take the JP forums more seriously with complaints, and there's a forum post there about it too. We are not alone! Support them here. (Note: I love that auto translate on this page translates the clipping to "butt penetration" )

[Vahlnir]

Unsure how true it is or isn't but most believe they take the JP forums more seriously with complaints, and there's a forum post there about it too. We are not alone! Support them here. (Note: I love that auto translate on this page translates the clipping to "butt penetration" )

Well, I can't read a word of it but I gave the OP a like. lol

Quick edit:

I did a quick search bar translation of the post you linked. This is what it translated to roughly for anyone interested. Just gotta keep in mind that Japanese > English can be a bit messy, but the point can still be understood.

About Type 2 B tights in 5.15.
During this update, the see-through portion of the equipment that can be obtained from the ruins of the duplicate Saleta factory has been changed.
As a result, the color of the skin of the character is transmitted, and it became a very happy specification for the player who is using the character of the so-called "different skin", the reality of the see-through part myself, I was also impressed by the graphic technology of transmitting the skin.
It was a great improvement, though. One unconvincing change had been made.

That's right, it's the.

I was very useful in the hip part.
In addition, I did dozens of ID in search of equipment that fits the leg equipment.

First, we recognize that the penetration of the graphic sits on a chair and occurs only under limited circumstances of taking a specific pose in a particular combination.
It is my frank opinion that there are a lot of things that are basically combat, walking, upright, etc., and that the frequency of the limited situation occurs less often.
In addition, I have devised by not taking that particular pose if it was under that circumstances.

Another is that in the case of that "specific combination", basically the hip part is in a state of being hidden.
I thought that the hip part was Uri more than choosing that leg equipment. I don't mean to force other players to change Mirapri, but if it's a basic hiding part, it's also possible to "change to equipment that doesn't penetrate the hip part in a particular pose."
I searched for this time around, and the equipment acquired becomes "Scala Scout Jacket", but it is not visible from the back of the front, but you can see the graphic from the side.
By the fact that it is a ninja Mirapuri, I chose the No. 2 B type tights in the part of stylish in light clothes, but I became the impression that I was a little unreliable by the graphic change.

Unlike those whose hairstyles penetrate clothes, I think that it is a point that can be avoided if devised.
I don't mean to deny the positive attitude of trying to improve the graphics problem, but it is also true that it was useful because it was a graphic before the change.
Please expect the hip part of this equipment to return to the previous specification.

[Driavna]

I still don't understand this biased or SE butt hating thing. I am no SE apologist, I complain about them a lot, but they left in the big butt without top, and tops that do not cover the waist in any way. They won't add butt slider, presumably for the exact same reason they would have implemented this "fix", clipping. I also assume that the viera butt is still working as intended?

There is no bias. SE doesn't hate or are scared of butts (at least now, will see on the future if FFXIV is going to be "update to current year"). Some female bosses designs are a testament to that. IMO, Tte main problem with the butts (male and female) is the shape, outright weird. Remember your SS with the last PvP set? (I like it BTW) The pants (for male or female) ruin the outfit because the shape is out of place (flat). Since I'm not sure I can link SS from other games I invite anyone to google the nano suit from Crysis, Raiden from Metal Gear: Revergerance, Tosh from SC2 or Genji from Overwatch. Then compare any of those to the PvP suit in question.

You mentioned Viera I will say that still works. The size was always similar to the base butt but shaped in a more natural manner. In all honesty, is a pity that every time this topic surface is always mock and dimish as a sexual thing, sure is that for some, but for me is tied to general aesthetics.

Anyway, and back to the topic, if anything this has showcased me the reason why the butt is the way it is and why most of the gear covers/hide it. This whole "fiasco" is more a testament of "the cutting corners" approach FFXIV team has been using since SB (more like ARR but by then was justified), because they did not even bother properly testing it things like the clipping from DRG leggins+2b boots are a thing.

[SturmChurro]

There is no bias and SE don't hate or are scared of butts (at least for now, will see on the future if FFXIV is going to be "update to current year"), a lot of bosses designs are a testament to that. The main problem with the butts (male and female) is the shape, outright weird. Remember your SS with the last PvP set? (I like it BTW) The pants (for male or female) ruin the outfit for me because the shape is out of place (flat). Since I'm not sure I can link SS from other games I invite anyone to google the nano suit from Crysis, Raiden from Metal Gear: Revergerance, Tosh from SC2 or Genji from Overwatch. Then compare any of those to the PvP suit in question.

You mentioned Viera I will say that still works. The size was always similar to the base butt but shaped in a more natural manner. In all honesty, is a pity that every time this topic surface is always mock and dimish as a sexual thing, sure is that for some, but for me is tied to general aesthetics.

Anyway, and back to the topic, if anything this has showcased me the reason why the butt is the way it is and why most of the gear covers/hide it. This whole "fiasco" is more a testament of "the cutting corners" approach FFXIV team has been using since SB, because they did not even bother properly testing it things like the clipping from DRG leggins+2b boots are a thing.

Yeah these are my thoughts too. I have been vocal enough about it, I agree with your thoughts on "cutting corners". On the same topic of butt sliders, I think there is actually a quote by Yoshida himself somewhere around here of him saying that adding something like a butt slider would require a full redesign of their outfits, because of all the clipping issues that would arise or stretched textures, and the sheer amount of outfits in the game make it a logistic nightmare. I am paraphrasing, obviously, but I don't think Yoshida is lying here, and the logic of having no butt sliders would persist here with a flattening of the 2b butt - only with outfits that cover the waist.

You are right, I forgot that the viera butt is actually effectively the same as the base butt, but using some tricks of the eye to make it look bigger than it is. The 2b butt actually resized and morphed your bottom. Either way, the viera butt is still out there to see in all it's glory, so that further makes me believe that there is no bias towards butts. And yes some boss designs incorporate butts, or skimpy outfits right now.

Yeah, I remember the screenshot. I think in the actual miqo'te screenshot thread I also touched on those PvP bottoms, they are skintight and look horribly flat. The 2b bottoms dyed an effective color, makes that set look MUCH better, and it even matches the ninja aesthetic I had going for it. Unfortunately, those bottoms are part of about half the class sets, and I don't know what males could use to make it look better. The shape is definitely really weird, its like... sucked in.. like the hank hill butt.