Thread: Butt is flat again... Patch 5.15

Can a community representative somehow forward this thread to the dev team? I’m not familiar with how they rule out which threads are eligible to be forwarded or not, but judging by this thread’s rapid popularity, I would say it’s a candidate. As for the 2B NieR bottoms being submitted as a bug in the past, there were plenty of other issues being reported as bugs, many have yet to be addressed and if they were, it seems like it took months before it was fixed.

Now, here is what doesn’t add up to me. Something so trivial like this was so highly important and super gameplay experience-ruining to the point where they just had to “fix” this? I think not. I love Square Enix and we all do, however, it’s best to just admit you are biased against something rather than just outright patching it out and ignoring anything relating to it. They know how many thousands of players want a butt slider, they will not add one. Apparently armor textures will be distorted. That’s fine, I respect that. Now, as alternatives to butt sliders, we get butt bottoms. A very “band-aid” move, but welcome nonetheless. A very small minority has reported this curvy butt item as a “bug”, and they find it so dire and important to where it must be patched out?

It’s like, let me get this straight. Bust sliders are okay, however, hip and/or butt sliders are not. Fine. But butt items aren’t either? Okay, this tells me that someone or multiple developers are highly against curvy rears. And if it indeed is an ethics department issue, then simply modify current glamour to give a more realistic rear. I understand in Japan or Korea, the way women normally look is different than here. However, final Fantasy is supposed to appeal to many demographics in the west too. And in case you didn’t know, Square, not all of us are built that way. I do not have a rear that looks like that. Many women do not.

Originally Posted by Reneekun

Unsure how true it is or isn't but most believe they take the JP forums more seriously with complaints, and there's a forum post there about it too. We are not alone! Support them here. (Note: I love that auto translate on this page translates the clipping to "butt penetration" )

Well, I can't read a word of it but I gave the OP a like. lol

Quick edit:

I did a quick search bar translation of the post you linked. This is what it translated to roughly for anyone interested. Just gotta keep in mind that Japanese > English can be a bit messy, but the point can still be understood.

About Type 2 B tights in 5.15.
During this update, the see-through portion of the equipment that can be obtained from the ruins of the duplicate Saleta factory has been changed.
As a result, the color of the skin of the character is transmitted, and it became a very happy specification for the player who is using the character of the so-called "different skin", the reality of the see-through part myself, I was also impressed by the graphic technology of transmitting the skin.
It was a great improvement, though. One unconvincing change had been made.

That's right, it's the.

I was very useful in the hip part.
In addition, I did dozens of ID in search of equipment that fits the leg equipment.

First, we recognize that the penetration of the graphic sits on a chair and occurs only under limited circumstances of taking a specific pose in a particular combination.
It is my frank opinion that there are a lot of things that are basically combat, walking, upright, etc., and that the frequency of the limited situation occurs less often.
In addition, I have devised by not taking that particular pose if it was under that circumstances.

Another is that in the case of that "specific combination", basically the hip part is in a state of being hidden.
I thought that the hip part was Uri more than choosing that leg equipment. I don't mean to force other players to change Mirapri, but if it's a basic hiding part, it's also possible to "change to equipment that doesn't penetrate the hip part in a particular pose."
I searched for this time around, and the equipment acquired becomes "Scala Scout Jacket", but it is not visible from the back of the front, but you can see the graphic from the side.
By the fact that it is a ninja Mirapuri, I chose the No. 2 B type tights in the part of stylish in light clothes, but I became the impression that I was a little unreliable by the graphic change.

Unlike those whose hairstyles penetrate clothes, I think that it is a point that can be avoided if devised.
I don't mean to deny the positive attitude of trying to improve the graphics problem, but it is also true that it was useful because it was a graphic before the change.
Please expect the hip part of this equipment to return to the previous specification.

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I still don't understand this biased or SE butt hating thing. I am no SE apologist, I complain about them a lot, but they left in the big butt without top, and tops that do not cover the waist in any way. They won't add butt slider, presumably for the exact same reason they would have implemented this "fix", clipping. I also assume that the viera butt is still working as intended?

There is no bias. SE doesn't hate or are scared of butts (at least now, will see on the future if FFXIV is going to be "update to current year"). Some female bosses designs are a testament to that. IMO, Tte main problem with the butts (male and female) is the shape, outright weird. Remember your SS with the last PvP set? (I like it BTW) The pants (for male or female) ruin the outfit because the shape is out of place (flat). Since I'm not sure I can link SS from other games I invite anyone to google the nano suit from Crysis, Raiden from Metal Gear: Revergerance, Tosh from SC2 or Genji from Overwatch. Then compare any of those to the PvP suit in question.

You mentioned Viera I will say that still works. The size was always similar to the base butt but shaped in a more natural manner. In all honesty, is a pity that every time this topic surface is always mock and dimish as a sexual thing, sure is that for some, but for me is tied to general aesthetics.

Anyway, and back to the topic, if anything this has showcased me the reason why the butt is the way it is and why most of the gear covers/hide it. This whole "fiasco" is more a testament of "the cutting corners" approach FFXIV team has been using since SB (more like ARR but by then was justified), because they did not even bother properly testing it things like the clipping from DRG leggins+2b boots are a thing.

Originally Posted by Driavna

There is no bias and SE don't hate or are scared of butts (at least for now, will see on the future if FFXIV is going to be "update to current year"), a lot of bosses designs are a testament to that. The main problem with the butts (male and female) is the shape, outright weird. Remember your SS with the last PvP set? (I like it BTW) The pants (for male or female) ruin the outfit for me because the shape is out of place (flat). Since I'm not sure I can link SS from other games I invite anyone to google the nano suit from Crysis, Raiden from Metal Gear: Revergerance, Tosh from SC2 or Genji from Overwatch. Then compare any of those to the PvP suit in question.

You mentioned Viera I will say that still works. The size was always similar to the base butt but shaped in a more natural manner. In all honesty, is a pity that every time this topic surface is always mock and dimish as a sexual thing, sure is that for some, but for me is tied to general aesthetics.

Anyway, and back to the topic, if anything this has showcased me the reason why the butt is the way it is and why most of the gear covers/hide it. This whole "fiasco" is more a testament of "the cutting corners" approach FFXIV team has been using since SB, because they did not even bother properly testing it things like the clipping from DRG leggins+2b boots are a thing.

Yeah these are my thoughts too. I have been vocal enough about it, I agree with your thoughts on "cutting corners". On the same topic of butt sliders, I think there is actually a quote by Yoshida himself somewhere around here of him saying that adding something like a butt slider would require a full redesign of their outfits, because of all the clipping issues that would arise or stretched textures, and the sheer amount of outfits in the game make it a logistic nightmare. I am paraphrasing, obviously, but I don't think Yoshida is lying here, and the logic of having no butt sliders would persist here with a flattening of the 2b butt - only with outfits that cover the waist.

You are right, I forgot that the viera butt is actually effectively the same as the base butt, but using some tricks of the eye to make it look bigger than it is. The 2b butt actually resized and morphed your bottom. Either way, the viera butt is still out there to see in all it's glory, so that further makes me believe that there is no bias towards butts. And yes some boss designs incorporate butts, or skimpy outfits right now.

Yeah, I remember the screenshot. I think in the actual miqo'te screenshot thread I also touched on those PvP bottoms, they are skintight and look horribly flat. The 2b bottoms dyed an effective color, makes that set look MUCH better, and it even matches the ninja aesthetic I had going for it. Unfortunately, those bottoms are part of about half the class sets, and I don't know what males could use to make it look better. The shape is definitely really weird, its like... sucked in.. like the hank hill butt.

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

the hank hill butt.

I had no idea what you meant by this, so I googled it, and I cried laughing, lol! That absolutely made my day. As for the whole butt thing, I really don’t understand why they can’t just make “larger rear” versions of current glamour since apparently a butt slider is out of the question. Personally, I want more character customization face options, but I have to admit, it’s really strange seeing my character’s Bust at 45 and Bottom at -0 in everything.

This also leads me to question why there are a few posters on this thread trying to harshly criticize why people “are so obsessed with butts.” It’s fine to not care about that aspect of a physique, but for people that do care, (which is a lot) there really isn’t any point in shaming them for it.

Originally Posted by Alestorm

I don't know if it's been said yet, but even Vierra got hit with the butt nerf. The bunny racial/Neir sets now look off to me.

also go figure the change brought on by "gear clipping" just made tons more gear clipping.

Does the dev team actually have a legitimate reason for being so anti-butt? Does anyone know? Have they made an official statement I’m not aware of?