Thread: Butt is flat again... Patch 5.15

Originally Posted by Gotsugo

You would have to take my word for it, but I actively avoid using certain pairs of shorts or skirts that reveal the backside because when it's revealed it just looks off for lack of better words. You can find old threads on the issue where people too mention that it just looks "off" and it's not pleasant to look at. Though some posterior-enthusiasts detract the point of the threads going on about wanting butts that'd use some flattering but not appropriate adjectives.

If a character's arms were too skinny compared to the rest of them, or the waist too thin for the rest of their bodies, there'd be threads about that too. Taking a look at your join date it's no surprise that you might not know how deeply aged this topic is (ever since relaunch), and if you look into it developers openly admit flatter backsides were for the sake of easing development for new armors.

Are you really going to use a "seniority" argument here?

There are tons of threads, or posts of people complaining about various proportions of bodies, sets, and whatever else.

Originally Posted by Gotsugo

Midlanders overall do look more correct than Miqo'te and Roegadyn. People point to Elezen female suffering from the flat-rears as well.

What do you even mean? All races suffer from flat rears. Au Ra suffer from flat chest, but look like they have a butt because of their pose. Miqo'te even has a couple that make their butt look bigger, try cpose.

I'm surprised that there weren't more male 2b bottom users who were advocating for an "enhanced" bottom.

Originally Posted by Gotsugo

B) I was saying that some races look more correct than the others.

What exactly do you mean by this? Each race has their unique characteristics, but what makes one correct and the other not? The vanilla butt is the exact same, the poses or lighting can make it look different, a trick of the eye. We could just as easily get into an argument about Elezen long necks, or Roe stubby legs, lalafell looking like produce.

Originally Posted by Gotsugo

There is some matter of subjectivity sure, but in the matters of the rear specifically I think midlanders have a more proportionate one vs Miqo'te or Roegadyn. That is all.

That is because of the pose...

Also, the height slider enlarges the size of your entire character. You can look like you have a much bigger bust compared to another if one is taller than the other.

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That is because of the pose...

Also, the height slider enlarges the size of your entire character. You can look like you have a much bigger bust compared to another if one is taller than the other.

No the Miqote suffer more due to the fact, the tail is something that causes more clipping and issues. That's why it's more drastic reduction on cat girls than other races .

Also in terms of importance, could it be that a large cross section of the player base worry about glamours? Than say sections that are into PVP, Tanking etc. Hardcores and Casuals will be more into glamour options and therefore would outright make a huger fuss about it than say, a smaller section of players that do savage - especially since clear rates are much smaller on the NA side.

So it makes sense that this thread or threads like this will blow up more than other things, regardless if you feel it important or not. Just not sure why people miss that part of logic.

There's also the fact, this got put into the General forum because it was a little bit more difficult to pinpoint where it belongs (Items and Synthesis...maybe..?) Where threads about Housing which is another problem do have forums more relevant.

Also this is a day and age where people would like to have characters look like them or something they can identify with ethically. That would include some body shapes. Granted, you can't really expect so much with the fact that they do need to fit A LOT of gear pieces in game to match up with characters, but when it did show the possibility to have well...a BUTT with few problems (yes it did clip, but seems to affect a minority of outfits) it's understandable why people are frustrated.

I think male characters need some love in that department as well.

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So, thats gotta be a combination of a few things, angle of picture taken outfit. Here's my character, straight on. No adjustments, with the straight pose, not leaning or anything. (Bikini for the profile) Right click, view image to make it bigger.

I'd argue she has a butt that looks fairly natural.

This is why I love midlanders. They look cute and appealing as your pic proves. On the topic of the butt drama, honestly I never noticed before. I just did the raid and I was actually shocked at the difference, it's almost unappealing the amount it adds to you on it's own. The bodies on our characters just aren't made with a monster butt in mind. It looks slightly off to me. To each their own, but one I rather SE fix everyone's long neck and tiny faces. Elezen's aren't the only one who suffer the long neck issue. It's just more noticeable on them, but we ALL have a monster long neck. Well.. miqos, vieras and au ras anyway. If you don't believe me... make those races with a VERY short hairstle and you'll see it. We all suffer the tiny heads and too long necks and it feels WRONG. It's why I'll never use short hairs on my characters. The necks.